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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #550 on: June 08, 2022, 05:46:42 PM »
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    The View's Joy Behar: "Once black people get guns in this country, the gun laws will change — Trust me." pic.twitter.com/896fexK41Z

    — Breaking911 (@Breaking911) June 8, 2022

You want to tell her?

‘The View’s’ Joy Behar unaware that black Americans own guns too
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/06/08/the-views-joy-behar-unaware-that-black-americans-own-guns-too/
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #551 on: June 09, 2022, 08:36:52 AM »
So the house bill that passed has a "15 round mag limit".

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The bill would also prohibit the sale of ammunition magazines with a capacity of more than 15 rounds.

Ten rounds has always seemed to be their magic number. I would assume this 15 round limit is a compromise number and wonder which side of the aisle promoted it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-votes-tminimum-age-21-semi-automatic-weapons
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #552 on: June 09, 2022, 08:43:22 AM »
I think that's a typo
Everything else I'm seeing says 10
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #553 on: June 09, 2022, 08:46:29 AM »
Mrgunsngear points out a flaw in the NY body armor prohibition. The current law only prohibits soft armor, most likely because it was written by people who know as much about armor as they do about semi-autos and "machine guns":

https://youtu.be/Azc-BPGDRak

Apparently NY also caught it after the fact and the governor said she will sign additional legislation if it's put on her desk.

AFAIK, the Buffalo shooter used hard armor.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #554 on: June 09, 2022, 08:51:44 AM »
I think that's a typo
Everything else I'm seeing says 10

Could be, though a possibility is that 15 was chosen to be more palatable from the handgun side. Back in CA, I saw a lot of, "This doesn't affect me and my guns, so what do I care?" stuff.

Maybe they think this is a way to separate people who use handguns* for defense vs rifles.  We know a good percentage of the new gun owners over the last two years have leaned left. I'd be curious to know what percentage of them bought handguns and/or shotguns vs rifles (including AR pistols and the like).


*I realize most full sized handguns these days are 17-21 rounds, but the legislators might think losing a couple of rounds isn't as big a deal as losing 20 or more rounds of capacity. Nevermind still having to buy new and expensive magazines.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #555 on: June 09, 2022, 08:55:38 AM »
Unless I'm missing an amendment or something the text of the bill says 10

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7910/text

Be willing to bet the person who wrote that Foxnews article above had 15 as in AR-15 on the brain
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #556 on: June 09, 2022, 09:08:08 AM »
Meanwhile RI is moving to flat out ban >10rd mags. No grandfathering

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Within 180 days, the legislation would require the owner to permanently modify the large capacity feeding device such that it cannot hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition; surrender the large capacity feeding device to a municipal police department or the Rhode Island State Police or transfer or sell it to a federally licensed firearm dealer "or person or firm outside the state of Rhode Island that is lawfully entitled" to own it.

Also age restrictions and banning open carry of shotguns and rifles.

High capacity magazines, age restrictions, and open-carry gun laws slated for RI votes
https://www.providencejournal.com/story/news/politics/2022/06/07/rhode-island-house-vote-gun-control-laws-open-carry-weapons/7543876001/

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #557 on: June 09, 2022, 10:03:35 AM »
The Hill is also reporting "15 rounds". Not saying you're wrong, WLJ, just that we seem to have conflicting (as usual) information in the MSM.

https://thehill.com/news/house/3516366-two-democrats-vote-against-advancing-gun-legislation/
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #558 on: June 09, 2022, 10:10:09 AM »
The Hill is also reporting "15 rounds". Not saying you're wrong, WLJ, just that we seem to have conflicting (as usual) information in the MSM.

https://thehill.com/news/house/3516366-two-democrats-vote-against-advancing-gun-legislation/

And then when you click on a link in that https://thehill.com/news/house/3516681-house-passes-sweeping-gun-package-in-largely-party-line-vote/
You get this gem
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prohibit civilian use of ammunition magazines with more than 15 rounds
Nothing in the bill prohibits the use of >10/15 rds mags just the selling of news ones to us common folk
Unless they amended the bill or added another bill into the mix in a way that's not showing up I don't know what's going on except maybe like I said above they've got 15 stuck in their head as in AR-15.
I guess they're have to pass it to find out what's in it.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #559 on: June 09, 2022, 10:11:55 AM »
If it passes, How long till someone starts selling 80% magazine flats?

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #560 on: June 09, 2022, 10:15:40 AM »
If it passes, How long till someone starts selling 80% magazine flats?

Ghost magazines
Wonder if they could sell the parts under the guise of replacement parts? Just have to buy your magazines one part at a time. Here comes another loophole that will need to be closed
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #561 on: June 09, 2022, 10:31:54 AM »
Roll Call 245 | Bill Number: H. R. 7910
https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2022245

5 Ky reps voted Nay (all r)
1 voted Yea (d)

Of course Yarmuth voted yea. POS never saw a gun control bill he didn't love.
Thank God he's retiring
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #562 on: June 11, 2022, 10:38:18 AM »
And they finally updated the text of the bill pertaining to "hi cap" magazines
Must of have update the webpage for the bill in the last day or two since I was checking for changes

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“(42) The term ‘large capacity ammunition feeding device’—

“(A) means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, helical feeding device, or similar device, including any such device joined or coupled with another in any manner, that has an overall capacity of, or that can be readily restored, changed, or converted to accept, more than 15 rounds of ammunition; and

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7910/text#toc-H527916A72D084906A233F41BD04F5DB9

So I guess Glock 19s, PX4 Compacts, Hellcat both sub C and Pro are safe.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #563 on: June 12, 2022, 10:40:32 AM »
The Senate may announce their version as soon as today:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/12/politics/senate-gun-safety-agreement/index.html

The story suggests there will be no rifle ban, but says nothing about mag limits.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #564 on: June 12, 2022, 11:25:33 AM »
You may notice some familiar names in the list
I just chucked my Logitech mouse into a drawer

228 high-powered CEOs—from Lyft to Bain Capital—are calling for ‘bold, urgent action’ on gun violence
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/10/ceos-demand-bold-urgent-action-on-gun-reform-in-letter-to-senate.html

The list. Some are the usual suspects like Ben&Jerry's and Levi Strauss
https://www.ceosforgunsafety.org/pages/2022
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #565 on: June 12, 2022, 11:29:19 AM »
I put CEOs in the same category as actors. If it's not something you have expertise on, like how the economy is affecting your business, then STFU. Your opinion is no more important than anyone else's.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #566 on: June 12, 2022, 11:59:13 AM »
I hate getting used to a new mouse
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #567 on: June 12, 2022, 12:32:06 PM »
Pretty clear Fortune Magazine is no friend of the gun industry

Fortune tries to get FTC to go after gun industry
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/06/12/fortune-gun-industry-n59249
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #568 on: June 12, 2022, 12:55:12 PM »
Just popped up in my YT feed
Watching as I post

 BREAKING: Senators Have 60 Votes for Red Flag & MORE!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Pa9ytD0qcc
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #569 on: June 12, 2022, 02:00:05 PM »
Imagine that, Mitt Romney
Note: There is no text yet, this is just an agreement so this could fall apart.

UPDATE: These 10 Traitor Republicans Turned Their Backs On The Constitution
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #570 on: June 12, 2022, 02:43:48 PM »
I can't imagine how a Senator from Missouri, with some of the most pro-gun laws on the books; and a Senator who is up for re-election this year, could possibly think his constituents will look the other way on this.

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #571 on: June 12, 2022, 03:45:11 PM »
Blount is not running for reelection.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #572 on: June 12, 2022, 04:02:12 PM »
Blount is not running for reelection.

Oh. I forgot about that. Hope he has no further ambitions for office, then.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #573 on: June 12, 2022, 05:01:54 PM »
Of course *expletive deleted*ing Graham never misses an opportunity to reach across the aisle to *expletive deleted*ck us over



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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #574 on: June 12, 2022, 05:25:32 PM »
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The framework calls for legislation that would eliminate straw-purchasing firearms, support state-level crisis intervention orders; fund mental health resources for children and families; enhance protections for victims of domestic violence, and increase funding for school safety and mental health initiatives.


Do they want to explain how legislation will eliminate straw-purchases?
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