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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #575 on: June 12, 2022, 05:32:06 PM »
Do they want to explain how legislation will eliminate straw-purchases?

They could try passing a law against it.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #576 on: June 12, 2022, 06:52:46 PM »
So it appears that the most egregious part of the senate legislation is the "incentive" for states to enact and/or enhance red flag laws. Whether carrot or stick, it'll probably involve dollars that many states won't say "no" to.

It may be there, but I saw nothing regarding penalties for falsely reporting someone.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #577 on: June 12, 2022, 08:59:15 PM »
John Cornyn – Texas
Thom Tillis – North Carolina
Roy Blunt – Missouri
Richard Burr – North Carolina
Bill Cassidy – Louisiana
Suan Collins – Maine
Lindsey Graham – South Carolina
Rob Portman – Ohio
Mitt Romney – Utah
Pat Toomey – Pennsylvania

BREAKING: Senate Reaches Gun Control Compromise Deal With 10 Republicans Signing On
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/breaking-senate-reaches-gun-control-compromise-deal-with-10-gopers-signing-on/
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #578 on: June 12, 2022, 09:17:58 PM »
Thom Tillis is a complete waste of oxygen in NC.  A useless RINO, nothing more.  I was really hoping he would get primaried out the last go around, but we got stuck with him again.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #579 on: June 12, 2022, 09:36:57 PM »
Here’s some highlights in the “bipartisan agreement”

https://thewaterburyobserver.bulletin.com/chris-murphy-instrumental-in-school-safety-and-gun-control-bi-partisan-agreement-in-u-s-senate/?fs=e&s=cl

Support for State Crisis Intervention Orders

● Provides resources to states and tribes to create and administer laws that help ensure deadly weapons are kept out of the hands of individuals whom a court has determined to be a significant danger to themselves or others, consistent with state and federal due process and constitutional protections.

Investment in Children and Family Mental Health Services

● National expansion of community behavioral health center model; major investments to increase access to mental health and suicide prevention programs; and other support services available in the community, including crisis and trauma intervention and recovery.

Protections for Victims of Domestic Violence

● Convicted domestic violence abusers and individuals subject to domestic violence restraining orders are included in NICS, including those who have or have had a continuing relationship of a romantic or intimate nature.

Funding for School-Based Mental Health and Supportive Services

● Invests in programs to expand mental health and supportive services in schools, including: early identification and intervention programs and school based mental health and wrap-around services.

Funding for School Safety Resources

● Invests in programs to help institute safety measures in and around primary and secondary schools, support school violence prevention efforts and provide training to school personnel and students.

Clarification of Definition of Federally Licensed Firearms Dealer

● Cracks down on criminals who illegally evade licensing requirements.

Telehealth Investments

● Invests in programs that increase access to mental and behavioral health services for youth and families in crisis via telehealth.

Under 21 Enhanced Review Process

● For buyers under 21 years of age, requires an investigative period to review juvenile and mental health records, including checks with state databases and local law enforcement.

Penalties for Straw Purchasing

● Cracks down on criminals who illegally straw purchase and traffic guns.

Two hours before the announcement was made Murphy was on CNN's State of the Union and said,"I've never been part of negotiations as serious as these. There are more Republicans at the table talking about changing our gun laws and investing in mental health than at any time since Sandy Hook."

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #580 on: June 13, 2022, 12:31:46 AM »
So, what percentage of FFLs are illegally evading the licensing requirements? Guessing they're going to change a few definitions.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #581 on: June 13, 2022, 12:54:15 AM »
I suspect that we're going to see a slow boil of regulation and swamp creatures...
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #582 on: June 13, 2022, 05:20:14 AM »
The devil's in the details of course, but some 9f that I'd actually  support, and I like that it seems to concentrate on the people committing crimes rather than guns or magazines.

Of course they can still make it a steaming pile of horseshit during the drafting phase.

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #583 on: June 13, 2022, 07:45:30 AM »
Always read a proposed law considering the absolute worst possible interpretation and implementation imaginable.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #585 on: June 13, 2022, 08:20:36 AM »
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Under 21 Enhanced Review Process

● For buyers under 21 years of age, requires an investigative period to review juvenile and mental health records, including checks with state databases and local law enforcement.

This is one that I worry about. Under 21 today, everybody tomorrow "because we already do it for under 21. It should be universal!".
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #586 on: June 13, 2022, 09:28:19 AM »
There could be a simple way to include juvenile records without opening them up.  Just put a rating on them or just a go/no-go that only applies for say 5 years.  If someone has a felony juvenile record, it will stay with them for 5 years at least as far as NICS is concerned.  Include a way review and correct the record if there is an error.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #587 on: June 13, 2022, 10:52:23 AM »
This is one that I worry about. Under 21 today, everybody tomorrow "because we already do it for under 21. It should be universal!".

I don't love it, but also: You're either a prohibited person under the specific set of federal laws governing what is a prohibited person, or you're not.  You can investigate all you like, and you might find some people that were prohibited person which weren't classified as such, but you won't find people who aren't prohibited suddenly being such - unless the definitions of prohibited person also shift.

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #588 on: June 13, 2022, 10:54:19 AM »
Under 21? Just steal guns from a gun store.

22 stolen guns leads to just 21 days behind bars for teen suspect
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/06/13/22-stolen-guns-leads-to-just-21-days-behind-bars-for-teen-suspect-n59307
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #589 on: June 13, 2022, 04:38:22 PM »
What Didn't Make The Cut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjRqtM6Cc4c

John Crump talks about what gems were cut out of the gun control compromise. 
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #590 on: June 13, 2022, 09:03:26 PM »
2nd Amendment Foundation sent an email today noting that this is an agreement between 10 Dems and 10 Repubs, but there has been no law drafted yet.  The other Dems may not agree with the compromise.  I guess we will see where this goes.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #591 on: June 13, 2022, 10:54:36 PM »
no GOP of the 10 is seeking or up for reelection this year.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #592 on: June 14, 2022, 10:36:29 AM »
Now that the door has been cracked open in the Senate
Universal background checks (pointless without registration )
Under 21 ban on "assault" weapons
License to buy an "assault" weapon
"Hi cap" mag ban. Who knows what number?
Mandatory safe storage requirements and penalties
And some straw purchase and trafficking BS

REVEALED: They Want MORE Gun Control!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_tjuDtkU70
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #593 on: June 14, 2022, 10:54:32 AM »
no GOP of the 10 is seeking or up for reelection this year.
John Cornyn of Texas is up for re-election.  He already won the primary election in March. 
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #594 on: June 14, 2022, 11:04:44 AM »
Now that the door has been cracked open in the Senate
Universal background checks (Note: pointless without registration )
Under 21 ban on "assault" weapons
License to buy an "assault" weapon
"Hi cap" mag ban. Who knows what number?
Mandatory safe storage requirements and penalties
And some straw purchase and trafficking BS

REVEALED: They Want MORE Gun Control!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_tjuDtkU70

We already have most of these in Washington state.
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #595 on: June 14, 2022, 11:06:27 AM »
We already have most of these in Washington state.

Well, we don't in Kansas, and I'm not all that enamored with it!

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #596 on: June 14, 2022, 11:11:46 AM »
We already have most of these in Washington state.

Has the murder rate gone up or down since?
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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #597 on: June 14, 2022, 01:05:16 PM »
Has the murder rate gone up or down since?

Up.  But I’d pin that on the idiotic “defund the police” movement and a new rule prohibiting pursuing fleeing criminals than the gun laws.  Gun laws didn’t help for sure though.

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #598 on: June 14, 2022, 01:09:29 PM »
Has the murder rate gone up or down since?

Also the University of Washington is no longer investigating rapes.  Not sure if it’s the university itself, or Seattle PD, but either way, they’ll take the evidence but won’t pursue it.  At least not for a long time.

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Re: Looks like Biden is Ready to Move on Gun Control
« Reply #599 on: June 14, 2022, 01:11:56 PM »
Up.  But I’d pin that on the idiotic “defund the police” movement and a new rule prohibiting pursuing fleeing criminals than the gun laws.  Gun laws didn’t help for sure though.

Well obviously the answer then is MORE strict gun laws and MORE lenient criminal laws.
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