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I'm Giving Up My US Citizenship
« on: February 19, 2021, 08:15:41 AM »

So that I can have more rights and freedoms. This is ridiculous. Illegals will have more rights (plus the "get out of jail free" card) if this passes than US citizens.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/02/19/unbelievable-biden-congressional-dems-immigration-bill-details-are-the-definition-of-insane/
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Re: I'm Giving Up My US Citizenship
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2021, 08:22:51 AM »

No need for that.  Just get a photo ID under another name (preferable Hispanic sounding like Beno) and use that for your illegal alien status.  Apparently the origin of the photo ID doesn't matter.  If you fake a Costco ID, it may not be illegal like faking a DL.
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Re: I'm Giving Up My US Citizenship
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2021, 08:33:46 AM »

Should be interesting after all these new citizens are minted and the woke/white guilt crowd gets to confront Hispanic and Central American culture's views on things like homosexuality, racism, female roles in society and the home, and abortion.

I mean, they newcomers will still vote Democrat, but the democrat's might not be the same party.

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Re: I'm Giving Up My US Citizenship
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2021, 08:39:51 AM »

Should be interesting after all these new citizens are minted and the woke/white guilt crowd gets to confront Hispanic and Central American culture's views on things like homosexuality, racism, female roles in society and the home, and abortion.

I mean, they newcomers will still vote Democrat, but the democrat's might not be the same party.

I suppose they already face some of that with the black demographic, but the South of the border demographic is a much larger number.
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Re: I'm Giving Up My US Citizenship
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2021, 08:53:17 AM »

Unfortunately, our culture (all of our media) poisons and subverts the traditional values of immigrant families within a generation or two, almost without fail.

The "they are natural conservatives" fallacy is demonstrably BS. Name one "natural conservative" immigrant group that votes their supposed beliefs.

Once implanted in Sodom and Gomorrah they say "when in Sodom and Gomorrah, do as Sodom and Gomorrah".

Leftism (all of our media) is akin to entropy and chaos. Death and destruction.

It subverts and inverts true morality.



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Re: I'm Giving Up My US Citizenship
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2021, 08:56:38 AM »

No need for that.  Just get a photo ID under another name (preferable Hispanic sounding like Beno) and use that for your illegal alien status.

I think you mean Beto.
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Re: I'm Giving Up My US Citizenship
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2021, 09:15:14 AM »

I think you mean Beto.
That might get him in trouble with the wrong crowd.   =)    .....but his screen name is Ben so I went with Beno.  Maybe Benito. 

He could add the insulation of alternative pronouns and go with Benita. 
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Re: I'm Giving Up My US Citizenship
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2021, 09:16:48 AM »

Or Cruz.
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Re: I'm Giving Up My US Citizenship
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2021, 09:19:38 AM »

A few years ago, the Left/globalists kept talking about how awful it was for the undocumented (criminal aliens) to be "living in the shadows." The late, great Limbaugh remarked that a lot of Americans would like to live there, too, if it meant they could avoid government oversight, tracking, taxation, etc.
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Re: I'm Giving Up My US Citizenship
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2021, 09:29:34 AM »

Maybe Benito. 

That's what my elementary school Mexican friend and his family always called me.  :laugh:
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Re: I'm Giving Up My US Citizenship
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2021, 09:38:34 AM »

The United States is no longer home for native born or naturalized citizens.  We are now expected to be content with second or third class status in our own country.
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Re: I'm Giving Up My US Citizenship
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2021, 09:43:02 AM »

If the bill passed, I'm trying to figure out the incentive any illegal would have to rush towards citizenship. If I were an illegal, I'd get my ID and then not follow up. More free stuff and less consequences for your actions than being a citizen. Plus you will still get to vote in all the DMV voter states with their non-existent vetting.
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Re: I'm Giving Up My US Citizenship
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2021, 09:43:37 AM »

Hard to tell if sarcasm anymore

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Re: I'm Giving Up My US Citizenship
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2021, 09:46:31 AM »

Give up your US citizenship and file as a murderer and you'll be set for life in the new Disunited Woke States of Stolen Native Land
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Re: I'm Giving Up My US Citizenship
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2021, 09:47:07 AM »

The United States is no longer home for native born or naturalized citizens.  We are now expected to be content with second or third class status in our own country.

It is home to globalist oligarchs, rootless cosmopolitans and the wage slaves that enable their elite lifestyle.

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Re: I'm Giving Up My US Citizenship
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2021, 10:17:06 AM »

Unfortunately, our culture (all of our media) poisons and subverts the traditional values of immigrant families within a generation or two, almost without fail.

The "they are natural conservatives" fallacy is demonstrably BS. Name one "natural conservative" immigrant group that votes their supposed beliefs.

Once implanted in Sodom and Gomorrah they say "when in Sodom and Gomorrah, do as Sodom and Gomorrah".

Leftism (all of our media) is akin to entropy and chaos. Death and destruction.

It subverts and inverts true morality.

They aren't conservatives (at least not the way that is used in American Politics) which is one of the reasons they vote Democrat in such numbers.

But I've spent a fair amount of time in Central America, and working closely with immigrants  (1st, 2nd, and 3rd Gen) from that area.  They aren't the hold hands and feel the love liberals white American Liberals assume they will be.  Not by a long shot.

In many ways this conversation is a mark of the American conceit.  These new immigrants aren't liberals or conservatives in the American Political sense.  Why would they be?  They aren't from this culture, and their basic assumptions are different.  I haven't personally seen the one and two generation huge shift you talk of, but we are in very different parts of the country.

I think if the current crop of democrats succeed in bring this huge, unlikely to assimilate, population into the Democratic party, they will find themselves voted off their little island.  What the American Left will be at that point will be.....hard to predict.  Probably even more socialist and/or full on communist.

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Re: I'm Giving Up My US Citizenship
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2021, 10:37:24 AM »

I often wonder whether the immigrants from the south and from the ME who's cultures are quite different from ours, even though they might be thought to vote D, might just completely change the D party into one that is much less statist/left over time.  I wonder this because those immigrants ran away from the statist/left sort of government.
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Re: I'm Giving Up My US Citizenship
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2021, 10:41:10 AM »

Those immigrants (excluding Cubans) don't see the Statist government as the problem.

They also tend to not be huge fans of diversity.

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Re: I'm Giving Up My US Citizenship
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2021, 10:56:32 AM »

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In many ways this conversation is a mark of the American conceit.  These new immigrants aren't liberals or conservatives in the American Political sense.  Why would they be?  They aren't from this culture, and their basic assumptions are different.  I haven't personally seen the one and two generation huge shift you talk of, but we are in very different parts of the country.

The conceit is thinking you can flood America with peoples that are from a fundamentally different culture and who hold completely different assumptions and still be America.

 
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2021, 01:36:20 PM »


In many ways this conversation is a mark of the American conceit.  These new immigrants aren't liberals or conservatives in the American Political sense.  Why would they be?  They aren't from this culture, and their basic assumptions are different.

They may not have the same ideological framework or worldview that Americans do, but one can still speculate on whether the views and attitudes of Mexicans (or other Latin Americans) will favor one side or the other of American politics.
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Re: I'm Giving Up My US Citizenship
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2021, 02:23:32 PM »

Maybe it really IS time to change my name to La-a RunningBear Gonzales.
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