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Re: Preparing For the Derek Chauvin Verdict
« Reply #50 on: April 16, 2021, 10:10:19 AM »

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I am sure it is at select locations only.   :laugh:
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Re: Preparing For the Derek Chauvin Verdict
« Reply #51 on: April 16, 2021, 10:51:51 AM »

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Re: Preparing For the Derek Chauvin Verdict
« Reply #52 on: April 18, 2021, 10:44:14 AM »

Maxine Waters is helping out. Trump never did anything even within 1000 miles of this regarding 06JAN, and they wanted him destroyed. This is A-OK I guess.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/04/18/so-we-impeach-her-now-right-maxine-waters-chauvin-comments-while-marching-in-brooklyn-center-sound-a-lot-like-inciting-violence-watch/
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Re: Preparing For the Derek Chauvin Verdict
« Reply #53 on: April 18, 2021, 10:52:56 AM »

Maxine Waters is helping out. Trump never did anything even within 1000 miles of this regarding 06JAN, and they wanted him destroyed. This is A-OK I guess.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/04/18/so-we-impeach-her-now-right-maxine-waters-chauvin-comments-while-marching-in-brooklyn-center-sound-a-lot-like-inciting-violence-watch/
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Re: Preparing For the Derek Chauvin Verdict
« Reply #54 on: April 18, 2021, 11:00:59 AM »

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Re: Preparing For the Derek Chauvin Verdict
« Reply #56 on: April 18, 2021, 02:29:19 PM »

https://www.twincities.com/2021/04/18/national-guard-security-team-target-of-drive-by-shooting-early-sunday/

Man, if I was a Guardsman activated for that I would be seriously reconsidering my life choices.  That is a no win situation, you just know mission command and the ROE is *expletive deleted*ed, and it's a law enforcement problem, not a military one.  Outside of actual MP's I don't know many folks who joined the Army to be cops.

*expletive deleted*ck that mission.

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Re: Preparing For the Derek Chauvin Verdict
« Reply #57 on: April 18, 2021, 07:01:06 PM »

Man, if I was a Guardsman activated for that I would be seriously reconsidering my life choices.  That is a no win situation, you just know mission command and the ROE is *expletive deleted*ed, and it's a law enforcement problem, not a military one.  Outside of actual MP's I don't know many folks who joined the Army to be cops.

*expletive deleted*ck that mission.
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Republican Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene has announced that she will soon introduce a resolution to expel Democratic California Rep. Maxine Waters from Congress.
https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-introducing-resolution-expel-rep-maxine-waters-congress-1584532
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Re: Preparing For the Derek Chauvin Verdict
« Reply #58 on: April 18, 2021, 09:57:57 PM »


Republican Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene has announced that she will soon introduce a resolution to expel Democratic California Rep. Maxine Waters from Congress.
https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-introducing-resolution-expel-rep-maxine-waters-congress-1584532

Waters screaming racism and the MSM and dems backing her up in 10,9,8,7.......
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Re: Preparing For the Derek Chauvin Verdict
« Reply #59 on: April 18, 2021, 10:19:56 PM »

Waters screaming racism and the MSM and dems backing her up in 10,9,8,7.......

That..thing.. needs to go away.
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Re: Preparing For the Derek Chauvin Verdict
« Reply #60 on: April 19, 2021, 03:45:29 PM »

CBS News is already knocking on the doors of Chauvin jurors.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/04/19/are-you-trying-to-get-someone-killed-cbs-news-has-decided-that-the-public-should-know-where-one-of-derek-chauvin-trial-jurors-lives-video/

I'll tell you this: I have always though of jury duty as a civic duty, however if I am ever asked to be a juror on a high profile case like this one, I'm lying through my teeth to get out of it. Ben is not spending the rest of his life looking over his shoulder for someone trying to get "payback" for him voting "the wrong way".

The link has a comment mentioning that the jurors' info is public record. I do not know if that is true or not, but in this day and age, I would not be opposed to some type of enhanced juror identity protection.
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Re: Preparing For the Derek Chauvin Verdict
« Reply #61 on: April 19, 2021, 04:00:27 PM »

Pretty sure they asked the judge to sequester and protect the identities of the jurors and the judge rejected the request.
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Re: Preparing For the Derek Chauvin Verdict
« Reply #62 on: April 19, 2021, 04:02:49 PM »

What would be the penalties of refusing to participate as a juror in such a politically charged case where the safety and privacy of the jurors is not projected.
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Re: Preparing For the Derek Chauvin Verdict
« Reply #63 on: April 19, 2021, 04:05:10 PM »

There was also this:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/chauvin-defense-witness-former-home-vandalized-with-pigs-head-blood-smears

You can't even be a witness without fear for your life. Or in this case, because the witness hadn't lived at the address for several years, an innocent family being harmed or killed.

I also saw the former boss of the witness ( a cop) threw him under the PC bus.
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Re: Preparing For the Derek Chauvin Verdict
« Reply #64 on: April 19, 2021, 04:17:30 PM »

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/19/988685389/attorney-for-adam-toledos-family-adam-died-because-he-complied?utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_term=nprnews&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2S3Gf_llaEOaZqSLQHROn_EBNSBIKkEzYnRPMkJEIgw_Y4AEHj9jaJzIA

'Adam died because he complied' will be repeated to the civil jury over and over again to encourage a large civil verdict.  It will rank right up there with 'if the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit'.
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Re: Preparing For the Derek Chauvin Verdict
« Reply #65 on: April 19, 2021, 05:50:33 PM »

They're setting the stage for flat out open warfare. I don't think they're going to like the results if they push it to that.

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Re: Preparing For the Derek Chauvin Verdict
« Reply #66 on: April 19, 2021, 05:58:48 PM »

It's called innocent until proven guilty you booger eating moron

Another cable news legal analyst says it’s ‘a tell’ that Derek Chauvin’s attorneys are going on about ‘proof beyond a reasonable doubt’
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/04/19/another-cable-news-legal-analyst-says-its-a-tell-that-derek-chauvins-attorneys-are-going-on-about-proof-beyond-a-reasonable-doubt/
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Re: Preparing For the Derek Chauvin Verdict
« Reply #67 on: April 19, 2021, 06:01:53 PM »

Chauvin is on trial for 2nd degree murder, 3rd degree murder, and manslaughter?  How does that work?  Three charges for one crime?
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Re: Preparing For the Derek Chauvin Verdict
« Reply #68 on: April 19, 2021, 06:15:14 PM »

Chauvin is on trial for 2nd degree murder, 3rd degree murder, and manslaughter?  How does that work?  Three charges for one crime?

If he's found guilty of 3rd degree murder but not 2nd degree, that conviction will be overturned on appeal because whether he's guilty or not it doesn't fit the legal definition.  I'm expecting a conviction for Murder 3 and a rather harsh sentence for that crime (perhaps due to some enhancement or another), and it all get's thrown out and he walks.  I think that was the whole point of adding murder 3 to the list of charges, to give the jury what looks like a compromise.
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Re: Preparing For the Derek Chauvin Verdict
« Reply #69 on: April 19, 2021, 06:19:16 PM »

Chauvin is on trial for 2nd degree murder, 3rd degree murder, and manslaughter?  How does that work?  Three charges for one crime?

It's to give the jury a choice. If they don't think he's guilty of 2nd degree murder (which he certainly isn't, if you read the law), then they can consider third degree murder. If they don't think he's guilty of 3rd degree murder, they can still convict him of manslaughter.

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Re: Preparing For the Derek Chauvin Verdict
« Reply #71 on: April 19, 2021, 07:13:17 PM »

I'll tell you this: I have always though of jury duty as a civic duty, however if I am ever asked to be a juror on a high profile case like this one, I'm lying through my teeth to get out of it. Ben is not spending the rest of his life looking over his shoulder for someone trying to get "payback" for him voting "the wrong way".

Then who takes your place? Will they be as fair and as committed to justice as you are? Will they be one of the collaborationist, commie pukes that buys into the anti-police narrative? Will they be a well-meaning American, but unlike you, can be duped or intimidated into voting the wrong way on the jury?

It's no picnic, I know, but we need people like you on our juries, especially for cases like this.
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Re: Preparing For the Derek Chauvin Verdict
« Reply #72 on: April 19, 2021, 07:44:58 PM »

It's to give the jury a choice. If they don't think he's guilty of 2nd degree murder (which he certainly isn't, if you read the law), then they can consider third degree murder. If they don't think he's guilty of 3rd degree murder, they can still convict him of manslaughter.

Each charge has a specific legal definition.  It’s not like you can say, well, he has to be convicted of something, and 2nd degree murder doesn’t fit, and manslaughter doesn’t fit, so we’ll just go with 3rd degree murder.

It’s possible to be found guilty of any one of the 3 and not guilty of the other 2.  The 2nd degree murder charge requires a conviction on the 3rd degree assault charge though.  Because you don’t get to 2nd degree murder without an underlying felony in MN law.  So if the assault charge is tossed (either because Chauvins conduct didn’t rise to that level, or is considered protected from charge because he was a cop), the 2nd degree murder charge has to go with it.  3rd degree murder in MN is basically “depraved heart” murder.  Fire your gun into a crowd and kill someone at random kind of thing.  It is not for conduct directed at a specific individual.  Hence why it was originally stripped from the list of charges.  Why the judge reinstated it is beyond me.

2nd degree manslaughter is probably the best bet for a conviction, but still pretty shaky.  That relies on the defendant intentionally creating an unreasonable risk of death.  In essence, this is the “but for” explanation of the prosecution.  “But for Chauvin’s restraint of Floyd he would have survived.”  The defense for this is basically “but for Floyd’s extreme fentanyl intoxication and cardiovascular disease, and delay in arrival of paramedics due to the hostile crowd, he would have survived Chauvin’s restraint.”

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Re: Preparing For the Derek Chauvin Verdict
« Reply #73 on: April 20, 2021, 08:42:34 AM »

I guess here is as good of place as any for this one. I see this "Seventh Generation" crap hawked all over Amazon. They are apparently super woke (and super overpriced). This is one of their statements on the trial and wokeness in general:

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We continue to face deep racial inequity in our society as Derek Chauvin’s trial comes to a close for the murder of George Floyd. And as more Black & Brown lives continue to be lost at the hands of the police, including Daunte Wright, Adam Toledo and the countless unnamed. (1/4)

Adam Toledo is a "person of color" now.

https://twitchy.com/brads-313037/2021/04/20/this-company-works-harder-at-social-signaling-than-making-a-good-product/
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Re: Preparing For the Derek Chauvin Verdict
« Reply #74 on: April 20, 2021, 08:55:06 AM »

I guess here is as good of place as any for this one. I see this "Seventh Generation" crap hawked all over Amazon. They are apparently super woke (and super overpriced). This is one of their statements on the trial and wokeness in general:

Adam Toledo is a "person of color" now.

https://twitchy.com/brads-313037/2021/04/20/this-company-works-harder-at-social-signaling-than-making-a-good-product/

My wife likes that brand.  She likes all of those "natural" cleaning products.  We won't be supporting their wokeness anymore.
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