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Vaccination Cards requested for proof of vaccination.
« on: May 11, 2021, 10:07:00 PM »
Just caught the edge of this news out of the corner of my ear.

Some eateries / bars in Denver are requesting proof of vaccination in order to safely arrange their seating and deal with the mask requirements.

I was going to make copies of both sides of my vaccination card in anticipation of this, per a previous thread on APS.  I guess I'll go ahead and do this for real now.

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Re: Vaccination Cards requested for proof of vaccination.
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2021, 10:13:36 PM »
I feel like things like this are gonna run afoul of HIPPA regs pretty fast. I'm no expert on the subject, but all the times I've dealt with/been around it, it's very special category stuff requiring special protections and limited access.

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Re: Vaccination Cards requested for proof of vaccination.
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2021, 10:34:05 PM »
But ask for an ID to vote..........
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Re: Vaccination Cards requested for proof of vaccination.
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2021, 10:36:07 PM »
Maybe some tattoos and some kind of marking on our clothes would work.
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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2021, 11:12:17 PM »
Maybe some tattoos and some kind of marking on our clothes would work.

Oof.

I have a vaccination card and it is my goal to never show it. I showed it at my part time job because I was going to tell them anyway and there was free money for getting vaccinated. No one else needs to know medical info about me.
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Re: Vaccination Cards requested for proof of vaccination.
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2021, 08:22:03 AM »
If someone at a restaurant asks me for this I'll just respond by asking for proof of their Hep C vaccination. Fair's fair.

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Re: Vaccination Cards requested for proof of vaccination.
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2021, 08:48:02 AM »
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Re: Vaccination Cards requested for proof of vaccination.
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2021, 08:58:01 AM »
I feel like things like this are gonna run afoul of HIPPA regs pretty fast. I'm no expert on the subject, but all the times I've dealt with/been around it, it's very special category stuff requiring special protections and limited access.

Actually, no.  Only 'covered entities' are required to follow HIPAA, and a restaurant is not a covered entity.

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-individuals/guidance-materials-for-consumers/index.html

Who Must Follow These Laws
We call the entities that must follow the HIPAA regulations "covered entities."

Covered entities include:

Health Plans, including health insurance companies, HMOs, company health plans, and certain government programs that pay for health care, such as Medicare and Medicaid.
Most Health Care Providers—those that conduct certain business electronically, such as electronically billing your health insurance—including most doctors, clinics, hospitals, psychologists, chiropractors, nursing homes, pharmacies, and dentists.
Health Care Clearinghouses—entities that process nonstandard health information they receive from another entity into a standard (i.e., standard electronic format or data content), or vice versa.
In addition, business associates of covered entities must follow parts of the HIPAA regulations.

Often, contractors, subcontractors, and other outside persons and companies that are not employees of a covered entity will need to have access to your health information when providing services to the covered entity. We call these entities “business associates.” Examples of business associates include:

Companies that help your doctors get paid for providing health care, including billing companies and companies that process your health care claims
Companies that help administer health plans
People like outside lawyers, accountants, and IT specialists
Companies that store or destroy medical records
Covered entities must have contracts in place with their business associates, ensuring that they use and disclose your health information properly and safeguard it appropriately. Business associates must also have similar contracts with subcontractors. Business associates (including subcontractors) must follow the use and disclosure provisions of their contracts and the Privacy Rule, and the safeguard requirements of the Security Rule.
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Re: Vaccination Cards requested for proof of vaccination.
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2021, 09:33:54 AM »
I just looked at my card and it has my name, DOB, HRN, and dates and types of vaccination but that's all.  I'm not sure what "valuable" information could be gleaned from my HRN (Health Record Number).

So I guess if someone asks for it, I might cover that info with my thumb or something., but I doubt they're going to record the information anyway. 

Thanks for that info, MillCreek.

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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2021, 09:37:25 AM »
The proper way to show proof of vaccination is with the middle finger and telling them to go *expletive deleted*ck themselves and leaving
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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2021, 09:45:23 AM »
In my case, I'd tell them to contact the Chinese Communist Party as they already have all of my pertinent information from the breach a few years ago.
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Re: Vaccination Cards requested for proof of vaccination.
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2021, 01:13:03 PM »
^ Good point.  One of those "worthy of a laugh" but not funny anyhow things.

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Re: Vaccination Cards requested for proof of vaccination.
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2021, 01:29:35 PM »
Actually, no.  Only 'covered entities' are required to follow HIPAA, and a restaurant is not a covered entity.

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-individuals/guidance-materials-for-consumers/index.html
Good info, thanks.

In my case, I'd tell them to contact the Chinese Communist Party as they already have all of my pertinent information from the breach a few years ago.
Same here, I think they even got my fingerprints as well.

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Re: Vaccination Cards requested for proof of vaccination.
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2021, 02:18:28 PM »
If someone at a restaurant asks me for this I'll just respond by asking for proof of their Hep A vaccination. Fair's fair.

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Re: Vaccination Cards requested for proof of vaccination.
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2021, 04:01:42 PM »
We are getting patients asking if the staff has been vaccinated, and if they have not, the patient asks for another staff member.  We leave it to the staff member if they wish to disclose their vaccine status or not.
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Re: Vaccination Cards requested for proof of vaccination.
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2021, 04:05:18 PM »
I identify as vaccinated, Checkmate
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« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2021, 04:10:11 PM »
I identify as vaccinated, Checkmate

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Re: Vaccination Cards requested for proof of vaccination.
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2021, 04:51:26 PM »
I had knee surgery yesterday. At check in I tried to force MercyOne to scan my vaccination card and put it in my file. Mostly because I got tired of everyone from Mercy asking me if I have been vaccinated. They told me that didn't have a spot in their system for it.
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Re: Vaccination Cards requested for proof of vaccination.
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2021, 04:55:08 PM »
I had knee surgery yesterday. At check in I tried to force MercyOne to scan my vaccination card and put it in my file. Mostly because I got tired of everyone from Mercy asking me if I have been vaccinated. They told me that didn't have a spot in their system for it.

In the category of 'things I wonder about', I am going to ask our Epic people at work if we are equipped to deal with such requests.  We routinely scan things into the patient charts, but I wonder if we have a specific place to put a vaccination record.
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« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2021, 04:56:25 PM »
I was cleaning out some boxes a while back and found a pretty full International Vaccine Record (The yellow one). maybe I will carry it and watch their confusion as they attempt to figure out just what I have had!

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« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2021, 04:58:31 PM »
In the category of 'things I wonder about', I am going to ask our Epic people at work if we are equipped to deal with such requests.  We routinely scan things into the patient charts, but I wonder if we have a specific place to put a vaccination record.

You probably don't have a place to park a scan unless it is somewhere under radiology images or something. What you can do is manually add vaccinations to the immunization record, the question is whether or not Epic has pushed through a patch to enable Covid vaccination status.

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Re: Vaccination Cards requested for proof of vaccination.
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2021, 05:47:18 PM »
Our Epic install has a 'media' tab where scans are parked along with an indexing phrase.  But of course, scans do not flow through Epic in terms of data entry.  I can scan your pap smear results, but Epic does not identify this and enter it into the encounter to note that the pap smear was done and the quality metric satisfied.  That has to be done manually.
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Re: Vaccination Cards requested for proof of vaccination.
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2021, 07:37:41 PM »
I smell an opportunity for an enterprising print shop . . .  >:D
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Re: Vaccination Cards requested for proof of vaccination.
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2021, 07:42:20 PM »
We are getting patients asking if the staff has been vaccinated, and if they have not, the patient asks for another staff member.  We leave it to the staff member if they wish to disclose their vaccine status or not.

If the patient has been vaccinated what is the point in knowing if the staff is?   =|   
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« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2021, 08:42:32 PM »
I smell an opportunity for an enterprising print shop . . .  >:D

Already happening in some places I understand.

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