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Re: "White Supremacists" Officially the Greatest Threat to the US
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2021, 12:10:29 PM »

Former FBI Assistant Director suggests that to stop these white supremacist extremists, we need to start arresting their leaders in Congress.


https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/06/09/ex-fbi-bigwig-frank-figliuzzi-says-tackling-domestic-terrorism-may-require-us-to-attack-and-dismantle-people-sitting-in-congress-right-now-video/
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« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2021, 12:21:34 PM »

Former FBI Assistant Director suggests that to stop these white supremacist extremists, we need to start arresting their leaders in Congress.


https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/06/09/ex-fbi-bigwig-frank-figliuzzi-says-tackling-domestic-terrorism-may-require-us-to-attack-and-dismantle-people-sitting-in-congress-right-now-video/

By white supremacist extremist he no doubt means anyone with conservative views.
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Re: "White Supremacists" Officially the Greatest Threat to the US
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2021, 01:06:35 PM »

Former FBI Assistant Director suggests that to stop these white supremacist extremists, we need to start arresting their leaders in Congress.


https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/06/09/ex-fbi-bigwig-frank-figliuzzi-says-tackling-domestic-terrorism-may-require-us-to-attack-and-dismantle-people-sitting-in-congress-right-now-video/

Having just finished my DOD mandatory anti-extremism training I can tell you that statement is a Moderate Indicator of being radicalized.  His coworkers might want to report him as a potential threat to see if he has more indicators.

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Re: "White Supremacists" Officially the Greatest Threat to the US
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2021, 01:31:37 PM »

Having just finished my DOD mandatory anti-extremism training

Out of curiosity, how did that go? Is it standardized universal training, or can branches / offices modify it (e.g., Navy might have a different syllabus than the Army)?

Did you find it biased to "domestic terrorist white supremacists" as the news seems to report?
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« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2021, 05:04:09 PM »

White Supremacy is so last week.

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« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2021, 05:13:52 PM »

Funny he brings that up in June rather than October.

It's getting warmer! It can only be because of climate change! We're all going to die!
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« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2021, 10:04:30 PM »

Anyone else ever noticed how often Joe tells his audience that what he's just said is not a joke? He knows no one takes him seriously.  ;/
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« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2021, 11:03:42 AM »

Out of curiosity, how did that go? Is it standardized universal training, or can branches / offices modify it (e.g., Navy might have a different syllabus than the Army)?

Did you find it biased to "domestic terrorist white supremacists" as the news seems to report?

Sorry for the delay Ben, I wanted to get to a computer where I could type rather than a mobile device.

The training I had was OK, mostly because I took over from my immediate boss and ran it about halfway through.  DOD mandated 8 hours of training and provided a bunch of resources, but specifically said in the memo the actual training should be pushed to the lowest level practicable to engender good discussions.  I have heard about this being interpreted as "The whole Brigade will sit in a theater for 8 hours of powerpoint" in some cases, which I suspect should be immediately followed by suicide prevention training, 'cause those soldiers want to kill themselves.  As I read the memo and OPORD, that was not the intent of DOD.  The Powers That Be wanted this done by the company level leaders and tailored to the individual formations to try and actually reach people.  Mileage May Vary.

Of the resources provided we got links to a bunch of DOJ and CID reports with vignettes of DOD personnel that had been radicalized recently (last 6 or 7 years) and what caused it, what signs were evident, and how they were caught.  Of those 25 or so stories, 12 or 13 were some version of white supremacy/white nationalism, 6 were islamic extremists, 3 were black nationalists, and 3 or 4 were communists.(the numbers might not add up because there was some overlap with folks having multiple "causes".  One member of the Atomwaffen Division got caught because he converted to islam, pledged to ISIS and shot two of his Atomwaffen buddies.  Crazy going to Crazy, I guess.)  We also got links to TED talks about how people get radicalized, and how people get out of radicalisim.  There was also a DOD link to watch the Netflix movie "The Social Dilemma".  Also links to the obligatory Regulations, Policies, and Federal Laws on extremism in the Army as well as powerpoints. Leaders could pick and choose some or all of these resources to craft the 8 hours of training.

My Command (me) chose to do it in 4ea 2 hour sessions over a month.  We watched The Social Dilemma the first one, the TED talks (with discussion) on week two, vignettes, reporting and social media manipulation on week three, and indicators, motivations, and balancing with First Amendment and political freedoms on week 4.  Each session was no more than an hour and a half of "content" followed by discussion on that content.

I definitely have some folks in my team that didn't bring an open mind to the training, which limited how well it could be done.  One guy, over the course of 8 hours would only repeat: "My President said that White Supremacy is the greatest threat facing the nation, and I will report that if I see any."  Like he was giving name, ranks and serial or something.  I'm not sure the training helped him at all.  Ironically he's the most locked into "us vs. them" thinking and dehumanizing others of any of my team, and probably needs the training the most.  there were three or four other teammates that were just checking the box and zoning out.  The rest of us I think had some decent discussions on why people go can go off the deep end, how they get scooped up by predatory people and radicalized, and how to break that chain.

Here's the TED talk playlist we used:
https://www.ted.com/playlists/569/the_roots_of_extremism
"I grew up in the Westboro Baptist Church. Here's why I left"
"What we don't know about Europe's Muslim kids"
"A black man goes undercover in the alt-right"
"How young people join violent extremist groups-and how to stop them"
"How cults rewire the brain"
"A global culture to fight extremism"

I'm sure there are commands out there that threw the powerpoints, recent EO complaints, and CRT into a blender and vomited out 8 hours of "*expletive deleted*ck the white patriarchy" training, but that wasn't what we were supposed to do, and the provided material was certainly able to support a pretty balanced look at all kinds of extremism with just a little work on the trainers part.

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Re: "White Supremacists" Officially the Greatest Threat to the US
« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2021, 11:31:37 AM »

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One guy, over the course of 8 hours would only repeat: "My President said that White Supremacy is the greatest threat facing the nation, and I will report that if I see any."  Like he was giving name, ranks and serial or something.  I'm not sure the training helped him at all.  Ironically he's the most locked into "us vs. them" thinking and dehumanizing others of any of my team, and probably needs the training the most.

Have you tried a cognitive recalibration?

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Re: "White Supremacists" Officially the Greatest Threat to the US
« Reply #35 on: June 11, 2021, 12:01:55 PM »

Former FBI Assistant Director suggests that to stop these white supremacist extremists, we need to start arresting their leaders in Congress.


https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/06/09/ex-fbi-bigwig-frank-figliuzzi-says-tackling-domestic-terrorism-may-require-us-to-attack-and-dismantle-people-sitting-in-congress-right-now-video/


Would someone please inform him that Robert Byrd is no longer in Congress?

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Re: "White Supremacists" Officially the Greatest Threat to the US
« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2021, 04:09:30 PM »

Thanks for that write-up, Dogmush. I guess it's good that DOD allowed some leeway in training down to the smaller unit level, which allowed for maybe more diverse discussion than the whole "white supremacist" stuff being pushed in the media by "upper management" as it were. I guess the bad part would be that some lower level leaders might, as you said, embrace that single point though. Overall, still likely better than a strict "standard" you couldn't divert from, since it's probably a good guess what a major focus of that would be.

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Re: "White Supremacists" Officially the Greatest Threat to the US
« Reply #37 on: June 12, 2021, 07:48:14 AM »

One guy, over the course of 8 hours would only repeat: "My President said that White Supremacy is the greatest threat facing the nation, and I will report that if I see any."  Like he was giving name, ranks and serial or something.  I'm not sure the training helped him at all.  Ironically he's the most locked into "us vs. them" thinking and dehumanizing others of any of my team, and probably needs the training the most.  there were three or four other teammates that were just checking the box and zoning out.

These are the only ones who reacted appropriately to the "training".

When your senior leadership has made it perfectly clear1 this training and all other such efforts are to weed "whitey" out of the military and any discussion of "extremism" other than "white supremacy" is a cover for that purpose, "Name, Rank, and Serial Number" are the proper response.

As for the "us vs. him", I believe people when they say they want me dead. It seems your "wayward" soldier is simply more perceptive than you in that regard.

You're pretending this has some actual value, when he rightly sees through the charade.





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Re: "White Supremacists" Officially the Greatest Threat to the US
« Reply #38 on: June 12, 2021, 11:11:15 AM »

Break it down to its fundamental aspect.  CRT is not about ending racism.  It's not about equality.  It's not even about equity.  It's about revenge.
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« Reply #39 on: June 12, 2021, 11:26:00 AM »

These are the only ones who reacted appropriately to the "training".

When your senior leadership has made it perfectly clear1 this training and all other such efforts are to weed "whitey" out of the military and any discussion of "extremism" other than "white supremacy" is a cover for that purpose, "Name, Rank, and Serial Number" are the proper response.

As for the "us vs. him", I believe people when they say they want me dead. It seems your "wayward" soldier is simply more perceptive than you in that regard.

You're pretending this has some actual value, when he rightly sees through the charade.





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Re: "White Supremacists" Officially the Greatest Threat to the US
« Reply #40 on: June 12, 2021, 02:00:03 PM »

You are full of *expletive deleted*it, and don't know what you are talking about.

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Again, this is just a few examples. One marine told us that a military history training session was replaced with mandatory training on police brutality, white privilege, and systemic racism. He reported that several officers are now leaving his unit, citing that training.

Another servicemember told us that their unit was required to read White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo, which claims--and this is a quote--white people raised in Western society are conditioned into a white supremacist worldview.

A member of the Special Operations community has told us that they are being instructed that, quote the U.S. Special Operations community is racist. One Army officer relayed to us the words of his general officer who told him that the entire U.S. Army is racist.
A midshipman at the Naval Academy said classmates are calling America a fundamentally racist place, and that this sentiment is not contested by school administrators. An airman told us their unit was forced into a racist exercise called a privilege walk, where members of the wing were ordered to separate themselves by race and gender, in order to stratify people based on their perceived privilege.

One African-American officer disparagingly said, and I quote, the Navy thinks my only value is as a black woman, and not the fact that she is a highly-trained military specialist. Soldiers have come forward to tell us they are being forced to watch videos about systemic racism and documentaries that rewrite America's history as a fundamentally racist and evil nation.

From one of the articles I linked. Is Senator Cotton just making those examples up?

I'm sure you have been quite honest about what your immediate command has told you and what you wanted the purpose of it to be.

I'm also sure you're not the median example of what is being done with this indoctrination.
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« Reply #41 on: June 12, 2021, 03:24:29 PM »

Perhaps Sen. Cotton is making it up, perhaps the people talking to him made it up (or exaggerated it),  No perhaps about it that in a multi-million person organization we have folks that are racist and taking an opportunity to go off reservation.  None of those things are a good indicator of what "the DOD" is doing.  I work for a 2 star, and was provided the Department of the Army Order directing this, and the DOD memo that order was based on.  Having read what the Secretary Level staff put out my opinion on the purpose and direction of this training is more than "my immediate command".

And also, no you are not "sure you're not the median example of what is being done with this indoctrination".  You are guessing on what is happening based on an information feed that is being curated for you specifically to feed you information that will make you click and keep reading, with no deference given to the veracity of the information.  You get fed lies and half truths designed to make your brain feel outraged so you get addicted to reading more lies and half truths.  We all do.  That's why we're here, and it's why there's so many links to Twitchy on this site.  So we can all feel outraged together.

In this particular case, I actually have the objective truth on what "the DOD" is attempting to do and the direction of the actual "approved" training.  Your suppositions about those are incorrect.  It's not your fault, but you are full of *expletive deleted*it on this one.  So is my soldier, for much the same reason.

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« Reply #42 on: June 12, 2021, 05:04:16 PM »

Perhaps Sen. Cotton is making it up, perhaps the people talking to him made it up (or exaggerated it),  No perhaps about it that in a multi-million person organization we have folks that are racist and taking an opportunity to go off reservation.  None of those things are a good indicator of what "the DOD" is doing.  I work for a 2 star, and was provided the Department of the Army Order directing this, and the DOD memo that order was based on.  Having read what the Secretary Level staff put out my opinion on the purpose and direction of this training is more than "my immediate command".

And also, no you are not "sure you're not the median example of what is being done with this indoctrination".  You are guessing on what is happening based on an information feed that is being curated for you specifically to feed you information that will make you click and keep reading, with no deference given to the veracity of the information.  You get fed lies and half truths designed to make your brain feel outraged so you get addicted to reading more lies and half truths.  We all do.  That's why we're here, and it's why there's so many links to Twitchy on this site.  So we can all feel outraged together.

In this particular case, I actually have the objective truth on what "the DOD" is attempting to do and the direction of the actual "approved" training.  Your suppositions about those are incorrect.  It's not your fault, but you are full of *expletive deleted*it on this one.  So is my soldier, for much the same reason.

No, you have the memo written by the DoD with the input of several JAGs in order to ensure that it comports with the law.

What the bureaucracy has is the individuals chosen to fill out the ranks and implement the legal order. The individuals who know what the real purpose was and are implementing CRT within the military.

How about the Lt.Col who stated that "If you're a white male, you're the problem".  That another one where people are just making it up?

I understand you are really invested in protecting your calling. You have a vested interest in believing that the Army is still the organization it once was and isn't being commandeered for political purposes.

I'll be willing to consider that my impression of the "woke-ing" of the military is mistaken, given the response to the Lt. Col. who hates white people. (I'm well aware he's white, himself.) If he's actually removed from command (I consider that highly unlikely) I'll believe the military isn't as far gone as I thought.

If however, he gets "further training" so he understands he's not supposed to say those parts out loud yet, then I'll consider myself vindicated in my judgement of the military's political subordination.
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« Reply #43 on: June 15, 2021, 06:12:34 PM »

Biden continues on. Again, focus on "white supremacists and militias", and no mention of antifa or others.

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President Joe Biden’s administration on Tuesday unveiled a national security strategy that focuses exclusively on domestic terrorism, naming white supremacists and militia extremists as “the most persistent and lethal threats” to America among ideologies motivating domestic terrorists.

Continuing its broad effort to combat violence from homegrown extremists, the administration published the 32-page strategy and the president vowed to both address the violence and the factors that lead to domestic terrorism.


“We cannot ignore this threat or wish it away. Preventing domestic terrorism and reducing the factors that fuel it demand a multifaceted response across the Federal Government and beyond,” Biden said in the strategy’s introduction.

While domestic terrorist attacks have been a threat to the United States for centuries, officials with the National Strategy for Countering Domestic Terrorism said, a resurgence of the homegrown violence has been seen in recent years, including in the surge of attacks against Jews and the mass shooting at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas in 2019.

The domestic terrorists of today have a range of motivations, including racial or ethnic bigotry and anti-government sentiment. They can act alone or be part of small, informal groups. Some are part of larger networks.

“Across violent ideologies, individuals and small groups—both formal and informal—have been galvanized by recent political and societal events in the United States to carry out violent attacks. Among that wide range of animating ideologies, racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists (principally those who promote the superiority of the white race) and militia violent extremists are assessed as presenting the most persistent and lethal threats,” officials charged.

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https://www.theepochtimes.com/bidens-first-national-security-strategy-has-singular-focus-on-domestic-terrorism_3859713.html
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« Reply #44 on: June 15, 2021, 06:19:44 PM »

The house is on fire and Joe is on the phone complaining about his cable being out.
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« Reply #45 on: June 15, 2021, 06:35:42 PM »

The house is on fire and Joe is on the phone complaining about his cable being out.

Joe doesn't even realize the cable is out.
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« Reply #46 on: June 15, 2021, 10:08:02 PM »

Biden continues on. Again, focus on "white supremacists and militias", and no mention of antifa or others.

More at:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/bidens-first-national-security-strategy-has-singular-focus-on-domestic-terrorism_3859713.html

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« Reply #47 on: June 15, 2021, 11:29:23 PM »

Does that idiot (or really, his handlers)  want Freikorps here?  Because that's where this is headed.

Yea he WANTS  Freikorps here .... Einsatzgruppen as well.  Oh, and Gestapo,  and Hitler Jugend, and ..... the whole Reich   thing.   =(
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« Reply #48 on: June 16, 2021, 12:50:06 AM »

As is to be expected, Joe has it all backwards. He claimed Antifa was "an idea," when they are of a course a domestic terrorist threat. White supremacy is, of course, merely an idea in the heads of Left-wing blood-libelists. It has had no corporeal form in the U.S. for decades.
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« Reply #49 on: June 16, 2021, 08:27:31 AM »

Actually, I don't know why we (including me) keep saying "Biden is doing this." Biden doesn't know what day it is and can't put one, let alone two sentences together. I'd like to know who all in his administration is actually behind this stuff.
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