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Police dog can sniff out ghost guns
« on: May 16, 2021, 11:59:59 AM »

Well that is what the talking heads seem to want you to think. The dog can maybe sniff out a firearm, or more likely the ammo, but no the dog can't actually tell if you gun has a S/N or not.

Santa Barbara Co. Sheriff's Office utilizing K-9 to seek out ghost guns
https://www.ksby.com/news/local-news/santa-barbara-co-sheriffs-office-utilizing-k-9-to-seek-out-ghost-guns

Santa Barbara Sheriff’s Department Has Trained a Dog to Sniff Out ‘Ghost Guns’
https://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php#1
« Last Edit: May 16, 2021, 12:27:07 PM by WLJ »
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Re: Police dog can sniff out ghost guns
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2021, 12:18:14 PM »

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"Zeke is trained to alert on what we call polymer 80's which is the grip part of the handgun, he's also trained to alert on the steel, the slides, and the ammunition we use for firearms," Deputy Moore said.

I believe it was trained on single and double based powders. Not steel and polymer.

If it was then they have rendered it useless.

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Re: Police dog can sniff out ghost guns
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2021, 01:23:48 PM »

And people from there are still shocked that I moved away from "paradise".
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Re: Police dog can sniff out ghost guns
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2021, 01:53:28 PM »

About to be an expensive house pet once a lawsuit for a lawful carrier hits. Around here I read about a local PD decommissioning their 4 year old officer chompy because the state just legalized MJ and there is no way to untrain the thing.
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Re: Police dog can sniff out ghost guns
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2021, 02:30:12 PM »

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"Zeke is trained to alert on what we call polymer 80's which is the grip part of the handgun, he's also trained to alert on the steel, the slides, and the ammunition we use for firearms," Deputy Moore said.

Sounds as if the dog has a degree in metallurgy.  I can hear Zeke barking to his handler: "that smells like a 400 series stainless steel.  Most likely a revolver, so not a ghost gun".
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Re: Police dog can sniff out ghost guns
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2021, 06:15:29 PM »

Sounds like he was trained to hit on automotive vehicles and anything in them. 

That works great as far as the police department is concerned.  Gives them justification to search whatever they want.
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Re: Police dog can sniff out ghost guns
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2021, 05:36:09 PM »

It does make me wonder if perhaps ABS does have a different smell than more durable polymers like Delrin or whatever a Glock is made from.
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Re: Police dog can sniff out ghost guns
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2021, 05:38:26 PM »

Sure is a good thing there aren't cheap, readily available devices that can make ghost guns out of pretty much any polymer you want.  That would sure be embarrassing for this PD.

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Re: Police dog can sniff out ghost guns
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2021, 07:51:14 PM »

It does make me wonder if perhaps ABS does have a different smell than more durable polymers like Delrin or whatever a Glock is made from.
I’m sure it does, but what benefit does it do to teach a dog to distinguish between polymer types?  None are exclusive enough in use to justify a search.

Powder-trained dogs are only good for areas where guns are restricted (schools, airports, etc). Dope dogs are useful because there is a presumption that an illegal substance justifies a search. A dog trained on scents of materials that are presumptively legal everywhere means no justification for search. It might be useful during a search (like those dogs trained to sniff hidden electronics) I suppose.  Like the electronics dogs, I bet they would spend 99.5% of their time hitting on inane stuff.

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Re: Police dog can sniff out ghost guns
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2021, 10:45:18 PM »

I can make a lower from a block of aluminum or so e sheet metal. I don't need to at the moment but crap like this makes me almost what to show them how stupid they are.

But I will not not.
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Re: Police dog can sniff out ghost guns
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2021, 06:37:23 AM »

Silly boy... Ghost guns have a distinct odor all their own.
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Re: Police dog can sniff out ghost guns
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2021, 07:02:54 AM »

Silly boy... Ghost guns have a distinct odor all their own.
They smell like ectoplasm.

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Re: Police dog can sniff out ghost guns
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2021, 08:57:47 AM »

Daffodils, actually.
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Re: Police dog can sniff out ghost guns
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2021, 09:03:28 AM »

Daffodils, actually.

I was thinking elderberries
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Re: Police dog can sniff out ghost guns
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2021, 09:14:19 AM »

I was thinking elderberries
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Re: Police dog can sniff out ghost guns
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2021, 09:49:04 AM »

Great, now the hamsters are armed.

They are gunning for your ass.
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Re: Police dog can sniff out ghost guns
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2021, 09:53:23 AM »

They are gunning for your ass.

I fart in their general direction
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Re: Police dog can sniff out ghost guns
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2021, 10:07:40 AM »

Sure is a good thing there aren't cheap, readily available devices that can make ghost guns out of pretty much any polymer you want.  That would sure be embarrassing for this PD.
Or make otherwise random pieces of plastic out of the same polymer used in Ghost guns.
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