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Re: Epidemiologist tells the truth.
« Reply #50 on: August 03, 2021, 11:53:45 AM »
Quote from: DittoHead on August 03, 2021, 11:44:31 AM

Didn't Trump get the vaccine after already recovering from the disease? I suppose he may have had unique circumstances that warranted it.

Unique circumstances, or best available medical data at the time, or political agendas at the time. Sadly, any could have played into the decision.
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Re: Epidemiologist tells the truth.
« Reply #51 on: August 03, 2021, 02:44:27 PM »
Quote from: DittoHead on August 03, 2021, 11:44:31 AM
   ....  Didn't Trump get the vaccine after already recovering from the disease? I suppose he may have had unique circumstances that warranted it.

I think so.  Probably at the time there was no evidence to show a bad reaction was possible. 
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Re: Epidemiologist tells the truth.
« Reply #52 on: August 03, 2021, 06:50:49 PM »
Quote from: Bogie on August 03, 2021, 11:16:51 AM
I just wonder how many of the hospitalized casedemic are there because they are worth money... "We better keep you for observation. Yeah, I know it feels like a bad cold, but better safe than sorry. You like being safe, right? Everyone should be safe."

Also... Most of the cases are younger people...
 
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/covid-19/data/index.cfm

Can't speak for St Louis, but in the Tampa area effectively none of the admits are like that.  They are again running out of beds and medical providers, so unless you need acute care, they slap a wifi (or cellular, I'm not sure) blood O2 meter on you and send you home to isolate. They monitor your stats remotely in case the case goes bad.

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Re: Epidemiologist tells the truth.
« Reply #53 on: August 03, 2021, 07:44:05 PM »
I'll keep being cynical - I know a guy from the largest hospital in the metro area who told me that most of the place was shut down during the first panics...
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« Reply #54 on: August 03, 2021, 10:50:08 PM »
Quote from: Bogie on August 03, 2021, 07:44:05 PM
I'll keep being cynical - I know a guy from the largest hospital in the metro area who told me that most of the place was shut down during the first panics...

Are you talking about BJC ?
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Re: Epidemiologist tells the truth.
« Reply #55 on: August 03, 2021, 11:30:30 PM »
Quote from: Bogie on August 03, 2021, 11:16:51 AM
I just wonder how many of the hospitalized casedemic are there because they are worth money... "We better keep you for observation. Yeah, I know it feels like a bad cold, but better safe than sorry. You like being safe, right? Everyone should be safe."

Also... Most of the cases are younger people...
 
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/covid-19/data/index.cfm

Does anybody know if the fed.gov is still subsidizing hospitals for every covid patient they treat?
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Re: Epidemiologist tells the truth.
« Reply #56 on: August 04, 2021, 12:57:03 AM »
Quote from: JTHunter on August 03, 2021, 10:50:08 PM
Are you talking about BJC ?

Yup. I'm about four or five miles from there down Kingshighway. He said that most of it was a ghost town. Yeah, there were wings. But most was just shut down.
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Re: Epidemiologist tells the truth.
« Reply #57 on: August 04, 2021, 06:05:39 AM »
Quote from: Bogie on August 04, 2021, 12:57:03 AM
Yup. I'm about four or five miles from there down Kingshighway. He said that most of it was a ghost town. Yeah, there were wings. But most was just shut down.
That fits what MillCreek and others have been saying all along. Namely that most of a given hospital is not ICU or Emergency and that COVID admits require specific docs, nurses, and possibly facilities/equipment. During the worst of the pandemic you might shut down the cancer ward, the dermatology clinic, etc., and still not have enough beds or trained staff for COVID patients.

The situation gets worse as the same staffing problem that is impacting your store is impacting hospitals.  Too bad we have absolutely no idea what is causing it.  ;/
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Re: Epidemiologist tells the truth.
« Reply #58 on: August 04, 2021, 09:55:53 PM »
I wonder how many people have died/will die because of limited services due to concentrating on supercold?
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Re: Epidemiologist tells the truth.
« Reply #59 on: August 04, 2021, 10:10:23 PM »
Quote from: Bogie on August 04, 2021, 12:57:03 AM

Yup. I'm about four or five miles from there down Kingshighway. He said that most of it was a ghost town. Yeah, there were wings. But most was just shut down.

I'm confused.  What did you think "Canceling elective procedures and shutting down non-essential services" looked like in a hospital?  You understand that even if they wanted to, and could staff it, not every room can be an infectious disease room, right?
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Re: Epidemiologist tells the truth.
« Reply #60 on: August 04, 2021, 11:11:34 PM »
Hospitals need to operate at x-capacity to stay operating. And with the spectre of nosocomial transmission, pretty much every room needs to be treated as an "infectious disease" room. In the labs, if we had a bug get loose, everything went into the furnace, and the room and furnishings got a serious bleach bath. Remember the "stadium" wards, and so on, which were shut down after not being used? We had some of that here in St. Louis... Handwavium at its finest...
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Re: Epidemiologist tells the truth.
« Reply #61 on: August 04, 2021, 11:41:51 PM »
Quote from: Bogie on August 04, 2021, 11:11:34 PM
Hospitals need to operate at x-capacity to stay operating. And with the spectre of nosocomial transmission, pretty much every room needs to be treated as an "infectious disease" room. In the labs, if we had a bug get loose, everything went into the furnace, and the room and furnishings got a serious bleach bath. Remember the "stadium" wards, and so on, which were shut down after not being used? We had some of that here in St. Louis... Handwavium at its finest...

That's.....not how it works.  There are places where you can have effective engineering controls to prevent spread, and places where you can not.  Even the stadium wards hat hot and cold sides, and controlled access and air (either controlled air, or outside).  You can't just say "poof. this ortho room is safe for infectious diseases".

As for your lab protocols, what is appropriate for an accidental release is unsustainable for everyday infection control.
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Re: Epidemiologist tells the truth.
« Reply #62 on: August 05, 2021, 12:04:07 AM »
I wish I'd bought a hood when the company auctioned a bunch of stuff... I could use that for parkerizing... We had both lights and alarms on the roof outside the hepa filtration system.
 
I don't know of any local hospitals, ranging from BJC to Mercy to SSM, who were turning away 'Rona patients.
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Re: Epidemiologist tells the truth.
« Reply #63 on: August 05, 2021, 01:11:03 PM »
In local news, as a response to increased case rates, Amazon will now not bring employees back to the office until sometime in 2022, and Microsoft will require all employees returning to the office to be vaccinated.
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Re: Epidemiologist tells the truth.
« Reply #64 on: August 05, 2021, 01:38:45 PM »
Quote from: MillCreek on August 05, 2021, 01:11:03 PM
In local news, as a response to increased case rates, Amazon will now not bring employees back to the office until sometime in 2022, and Microsoft will require all employees returning to the office to be vaccinated.

THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN  - - - ooooops, covid19 is sure feeding the fear factor.  Everyone is running in circles pulling out their hair.  [tinfoil] ;/  ;/ [barf]
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Re: Epidemiologist tells the truth.
« Reply #65 on: August 05, 2021, 06:57:37 PM »
My workplace is going to start forcing all of us to wear those stupid masks again- even those of us that are vaccinated.   ;/

Covid is never going away.

If the vaccine works, I don't need the mask.

If it doesn't, I'm going to get it no matter what I do, and I'd just as soon get it over with.
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Re: Epidemiologist tells the truth.
« Reply #66 on: August 05, 2021, 11:01:05 PM »
Quote from: Pb on August 05, 2021, 06:57:37 PM
If the vaccine works, I don't need the mask.



If the vaccine works, there's certainly no call to require anyone to wear a mask, or get a vaccine. The argument that everyone must be required to mask/vax to protect those around them - it's simply not plausible when every adult can get the vax to protect themselves.

Funny how the people assuring us the vax is effective also assure us we need mandates.
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Re: Epidemiologist tells the truth.
« Reply #67 on: August 05, 2021, 11:40:53 PM »
The "cases" graphic that they have here in St. Louis looks a LOT like last summer...
 
I think we're up to 0.171% overall for City residents.
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Re: Epidemiologist tells the truth.
« Reply #68 on: August 06, 2021, 06:02:37 PM »
Quote from: TommyGunn on August 05, 2021, 01:38:45 PM
THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN  - - - ooooops, covid19 is sure feeding the fear factor.  Everyone is running in circles pulling out their hair.  [tinfoil] ;/  ;/ [barf]

You are describing "F.U.D." - Fear - Uncertainty - Despair.
This is what liberals/progressives/socialists are so good at dishing out.
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