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And it was minors who did it.

Five years is NOT enough!
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Re: Heart attack kills man being swatted over his Twitter handle.
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2021, 06:00:44 PM »

For a Twitter name? What in the actual?
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Re: Heart attack kills man being swatted over his Twitter handle.
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2021, 06:08:36 PM »

I think a short drop and a sudden stop is more in order. We to start setting examples again.
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Re: Heart attack kills man being swatted over his Twitter handle.
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2021, 06:34:17 PM »

Five years is definitely not enough.

Fifty years might be in the ballpark.

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Re: Heart attack kills man being swatted over his Twitter handle.
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2021, 06:44:03 PM »

Five years is definitely not enough.

Fifty years might be in the ballpark.

It should be a murder charge; the cops were the murder weapon.  Perhaps not first degree murder.  That's also what I thought about whoever called 911 on John Crawford III, although this case even moreso because it was targeted.  JC3 was just some poor black schmuck in a Walmart and could have been anybody.  BTW, have you noticed BLM ignores him?  Not controversial enough.  They only like 3-time-losers who are wrongly killed (or sometimes not wrongly) by police.
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Re: Heart attack kills man being swatted over his Twitter handle.
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2021, 09:00:44 PM »

It should be a murder charge; the cops were the murder weapon.  Perhaps not first degree murder.  That's also what I thought about whoever called 911 on John Crawford III, although this case even moreso because it was targeted.  JC3 was just some poor black schmuck in a Walmart and could have been anybody.  BTW, have you noticed BLM ignores him?  Not controversial enough.  They only like 3-time-losers who are wrongly killed (or sometimes not wrongly) by police.

I was going to say it should be murder. The problem is that I think a murder charge requires an intent to kill the victim, and I doubt the people pulling this SWAT prank intended for anyone to die.

Maybe manslaughter.

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Re: Heart attack kills man being swatted over his Twitter handle.
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2021, 09:36:52 PM »

I was going to say it should be murder. The problem is that I think a murder charge requires an intent to kill the victim, and I doubt the people pulling this SWAT prank intended for anyone to die.

Maybe manslaughter.

Considering that there have been highly publicized swattings that have resulted in someone's death it could be argued that was the intent
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Re: Heart attack kills man being swatted over his Twitter handle.
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2021, 10:18:55 PM »

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Re: Heart attack kills man being swatted over his Twitter handle.
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2021, 10:24:55 PM »

Please don't go after @bogiestl, but you can follow me...

Just remember to yell "I'm taking all of you with me!" when the swat team arrives.
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Re: Heart attack kills man being swatted over his Twitter handle.
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2021, 10:42:40 PM »

Considering that there have been highly publicized swattings that have resulted in someone's death it could be argued that was the intent

It should be very easy to argue that.  Might not be easy to prove though, because the standard of proof is high.  Perhaps that's the realm of civil lawsuits, although the scumbags involved are probably judgement-proof.

I think they could try for murder 1 and fallback on murder 2 or manslaughter, etc.  (depends on the definitions in that state)
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Re: Heart attack kills man being swatted over his Twitter handle.
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2021, 06:04:26 AM »

I think they could try for murder 1 and fallback on murder 2 or manslaughter, etc.  (depends on the definitions in that state)
And depending on the number of riots spawned by the event, just convict on everything whether it applies or not.

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Re: Heart attack kills man being swatted over his Twitter handle.
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2021, 10:38:18 AM »

And sue and take everything they and their parents have (if anything).  Sucks to be them, but that should hurt. 
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Re: Heart attack kills man being swatted over his Twitter handle.
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2021, 10:39:07 AM »


What is with the generic SWAT training picture?
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Re: Heart attack kills man being swatted over his Twitter handle.
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2021, 10:41:39 AM »

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"He went out the house with a gun, because he heard someone was on his property," Fitch explained. "He sees all these cops around him, and they ask if he is Mark Herring, 'put your hands up,' so he tosses the gun away from him to show he's not a threat, and [put his] hands up."

It was then that Herring suffered a heart attack. He died in hospital soon after.
Wonder how long he lay there before someone started giving first aid?
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Re: Heart attack kills man being swatted over his Twitter handle.
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2021, 10:42:50 AM »

Why haven't cops figured out how to determine when someone is SWAT-ing?  It seems to me with all the data available out there, they could get location information and verify if the caller is in the area. 
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Re: Heart attack kills man being swatted over his Twitter handle.
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2021, 12:27:39 PM »

We had two last month in the county seat. First was a little old lady and second was an empty house.

I never heard a follow up after they reported they were trying to trace the calls location.
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Re: Heart attack kills man being swatted over his Twitter handle.
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2021, 02:45:13 PM »

And depending on the number of riots spawned by the event, just convict on everything whether it applies or not.

You know I don't agree with that.  ;/  If they can prove the death was intentional convict for murder.  If death was a likely outcome but was not intended, you convict for manslaughter or second degree murder or whatever they call it in that state.
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Re: Heart attack kills man being swatted over his Twitter handle.
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2021, 02:50:57 PM »

You know I don't agree with that.  ;/  If they can prove the death was intentional convict for murder.  If death was a likely outcome but was not intended, you convict for manslaughter or second degree murder or whatever they call it in that state.

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Re: Heart attack kills man being swatted over his Twitter handle.
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2021, 03:42:46 PM »

You know I don't agree with that.  ;/
Yes, I do.  Sorry, I wasn't implying that's what you wanted.  Just remarking on how that has played out recently.

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Re: Heart attack kills man being swatted over his Twitter handle.
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2021, 06:00:11 PM »

You know I don't agree with that.  ;/  If they can prove the death was intentional convict for murder.  If death was a likely outcome but was not intended, you convict for manslaughter or second degree murder or whatever they call it in that state.
It does not need to be the intention to cause death to be a murder charge.  They did an intentional illegal act that a reasonable person would know could lead to death or serious bodily injury of the target.  Depends on how murder is defined in that state.  I thought most states had two or three types. 

Now the fact that he died of a heart attack might change things a bit, but I doubt a jury would be all that merciful. 
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Re: Heart attack kills man being swatted over his Twitter handle.
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2021, 11:26:51 PM »

And the perp in the UK is apparently a juvie and will neither be named OR extradited !  "It" gets off scot free, as the article in the OP makes no mention of any consequences.
And YES, five years isn't enough as this perp seems to have a warped and twisted manner of thinking.  He needs "sufficient time" for the doctors to try and straighten him out.
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