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Smith & Wesson does Kel-Tec
« on: August 17, 2021, 08:37:53 AM »
Looks like S&W decided to pretty much copy the KSG.
Remains to be seen if the quality is there to make it worth $300 more.

NEW Smith & Wesson Shotgun: The S&W M&P 12
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2021/08/17/new-smith-wesson-shotgun-the-sw-mp-12/

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New Firearms 2021: S&W M&P 12
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2021, 08:38:45 AM »
I hear there are more new gun announcements heading toward the NRA annual meetings.  This one looks interesting.  S&W might put enough of them on the market that the price is reasonable.  Might also push the Keltec KSG price down. 

NEW Smith & Wesson Shotgun: The S&W M&P 12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdWMTjaOYDA

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2021/08/17/new-smith-wesson-shotgun-the-sw-mp-12/

Main thing I see is it is 1.5 lbs heavier than the KSG which hopefully means it is heavier built.  The cross bolt style switch between loading tubes ought to be easier to use.  The Keltec has a lever back in the receiver that is a bit awkward to get to.
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Re: Smith & Wesson does Kel-Tec
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2021, 08:39:16 AM »
I guess I was a hair slow in hitting submit.   =D
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Re: New Firearms 2021: S&W M&P 12
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2021, 08:42:56 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgDPhsUYBUg
Only other new one that comes to mind recently is CZ has a P10F pistol in 45 ACP.  Appears to be a bit beefier than the 9mm P10F and has a 13 round capacity.  So maybe a Glock 21 with a 1911 grip angle.  I would like to get my hands on one. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5FMV6J-bng
This guy's first review.
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Re: New Firearms 2021: S&W M&P 12
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2021, 08:48:35 AM »
^^^I would buy a S&W over a KelTec any day.
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Re: Smith & Wesson does Kel-Tec
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2021, 10:44:11 AM »
No point in having two. Go ahead and delete mine.
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Re: Smith & Wesson does Kel-Tec
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2021, 11:46:27 AM »
Dupes merged.
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Re: Smith & Wesson does Kel-Tec
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2021, 12:12:18 PM »
Is that a pump or a semi-auto? I'm not at a place where I can listen to descriptions.

My only concern is that there's nothing to hold the user's pump hand in place if it is, in fact, a pump.

Kel Tech has already had one lawsuit from a guy who pretty much amputated his hand by over pumping the action and having his hand go in front of the muzzle.
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Re: Smith & Wesson does Kel-Tec
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2021, 12:18:20 PM »
It's appears on the surface to be nearly an exact copy of the KT KSG.

And IIRC that guy was using an el-cheapo ver grip which only had one tiny rail hold point and it broke. Ones like the Magpul models have two beefy rail hold points.
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Re: Smith & Wesson does Kel-Tec
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2021, 12:21:07 PM »
Shouldn't this thread title have been "Smith & Wesson does Ruger"?
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Re: Smith & Wesson does Kel-Tec
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2021, 12:22:22 PM »
Quote from: cordex on August 17, 2021, 12:21:07 PM
Shouldn't this thread title have been "Smith & Wesson does Ruger"?

As in like Ruger doing an almost exact copy of the P3AT?
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Re: Smith & Wesson does Kel-Tec
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2021, 12:22:54 PM »
How about Debbie does Shotguns?
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Re: Smith & Wesson does Kel-Tec
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2021, 12:24:45 PM »
Quote from: K Frame on August 17, 2021, 12:22:54 PM
How about Debbie does Shotguns?

May be copyrighted
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Re: Smith & Wesson does Kel-Tec
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2021, 12:31:12 PM »
Quote from: K Frame on August 17, 2021, 12:12:18 PM
Is that a pump or a semi-auto? I'm not at a place where I can listen to descriptions.

My only concern is that there's nothing to hold the user's pump hand in place if it is, in fact, a pump.

Kel Tech has already had one lawsuit from a guy who pretty much amputated his hand by over pumping the action and having his hand go in front of the muzzle.
Pump action. 

The Kel Tec has plenty of grip surface, IMO.  I never had any trouble.  I put one of the short BCM grips on mine to get a little extra power for cycling.  It is helpful to pull back with some authority as the last 1/2" is where the next round is picked up.  It is easy to short cycle and never pick up another round.   

Looks like the S&W has a vertical grip option also.  It has the cross bolt action to switch between loading tubes which I think is an improvement over the KelTec.
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Re: Smith & Wesson does Kel-Tec
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2021, 11:28:51 PM »
I prefer to buy Kel-Tec just to support the only person in American firearms not making cookie cutter ARs and actually innovating. I carried a P3AT everywhere for several years. Great gun, Ruger ripped it off.
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Re: Smith & Wesson does Kel-Tec
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2021, 09:45:36 AM »
Keltec should sue S&W for copying their "hideous plastic clam shells held together by screws" trade dress.
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Re: Smith & Wesson does Kel-Tec
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2021, 10:15:29 AM »
Quote from: Pb on August 18, 2021, 09:45:36 AM
Keltec should sue S&W for copying their "hideous plastic clam shells held together by screws" trade dress.
If they didn't do that, they would probably be $2000 and up like the fancy designs of FN and others.
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Re: Smith & Wesson does Kel-Tec
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2021, 02:53:00 PM »
Kimber does Sig?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MBRyyR3GnE
New Kimber R7 Mako 13 + 1 Micro 9mm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LvrHqtZW6M
Kimber R7 Mako Micro Compact Optics Ready Pistol Review

Youtube is about the only link at work that isn't blocked for this one.
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Re: Smith & Wesson does Kel-Tec
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2021, 02:54:58 PM »
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 19, 2021, 02:53:00 PM
Kimber does Sig?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MBRyyR3GnE
New Kimber R7 Mako 13 + 1 Micro 9mm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LvrHqtZW6M
Kimber R7 Mako Micro Compact Optics Ready Pistol Review

More like a Hellcat, even hard to tell the two apart at first glance.

Gun Review: Kimber R7 Mako 11+1 Round Micro-Compact
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-kimber-r7-mako/

New Optics Ready CCW – Kimber R7 Mako
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2021/08/19/new-kimber-r7-mako/
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Re: Smith & Wesson does Kel-Tec
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2021, 03:54:27 PM »
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 19, 2021, 02:53:00 PM
Kimber does Sig?

New Kimber R7 Mako 13 + 1 Micro 9mm

"Meh*."

Do their small non-1911(ish) nines work well now?  I know the first one they put out had a rep for not.

*such a useful word
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Re: Smith & Wesson does Kel-Tec
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2021, 08:55:36 PM »
https://dkfirearms.com/product/sw-mp-12-bullpup-shotgun-12ga/?mc_cid=4477b026ef&mc_eid=54e1d56c09
First time I noticed the new S&W for sale.  Not quite as much as I thought it would be.  $1079
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Re: Smith & Wesson does Kel-Tec
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2021, 12:49:58 PM »
FN does Glock?  Hopefully they do it better. 

https://fnamerica.com/502tactical/

Appears to be a full sized 22 LR pistol with a 15 round mag and optics ready.  I don't see mention of cost. 
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Re: Smith & Wesson does Kel-Tec
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2021, 12:56:14 PM »
Quote from: MechAg94 on September 01, 2021, 12:49:58 PM
FN does Glock?  Hopefully they do it better. 

https://fnamerica.com/502tactical/

Appears to be a full sized 22 LR pistol with a 15 round mag and optics ready.  I don't see mention of cost.

I didn't look past the pictures, but it appears to be similar to an FNX but in SAO and in .22. I don't have a suppressed .22, so it could interest me. The site said MSRP is $500.
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Re: Smith & Wesson does Kel-Tec
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2021, 01:50:42 PM »
Quote from: Ben on September 01, 2021, 12:56:14 PM
I didn't look past the pictures, but it appears to be similar to an FNX but in SAO and in .22. I don't have a suppressed .22, so it could interest me. The site said MSRP is $500.

That price might mean the retail price is reasonable.  That makes it more interesting as a 22.
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Re: Smith & Wesson does Kel-Tec
« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2021, 09:01:47 PM »
And it already has a recall

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Smith & Wesson has announced a recall of all of their new hot-selling and very sought after M&P12 shotguns manufactured before October 15th, 2021. It seems that S&W has had reports of two of the guns that suffered cracked barrels. Out of an abundance of caution, the company has asked customers and dealers to send their guns in for inspection and necessary repair.

Smith & Wesson Announces Recall of New M&P12 Shotguns Made Before October 15, 2021
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/smith-wesson-announces-recall-of-their-popular-mp-12-shotguns-made-before-october-15-2021/
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