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Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2021, 04:21:59 PM »

Connery, Craig, Brosnan, Moore, Dalton.

Craig didn’t have the polish, but he had the stone cold killer that even Connery didn’t quite have.  Brosnan was neither fish nor fowl.  Moore and Dalton had waaayyy to much camp.

That sums it up very well.

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Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2021, 07:06:09 PM »

Hey, you finally got that P99?!? Cool! I know you've been wanting one for years.

Yep.  Dumb luck.  Buddy had a P99 (1st Gen), a half-dozen mags, a threaded barrel, and a couple of cheap holsters.  Long story short, we made a trade, and now I have all of that.  Now I'm shopping for holsters, and for the first time, considering a suppressor. 
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Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2021, 07:14:56 PM »

Yep.  Dumb luck.  Buddy had a P99 (1st Gen), a half-dozen mags, a threaded barrel, and a couple of cheap holsters.  Long story short, we made a trade, and now I have all of that.  Now I'm shopping for holsters, and for the first time, considering a suppressor.

Get a can while you can, I say.  =)
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Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2021, 07:28:48 PM »

So, what exactly is CraigBond's back story? His family seems to be dead, the ancestral mansion gone to decay... A young man of the peerage who went military instead of politics after their demise? And who demised them?
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Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2021, 07:39:03 PM »

A few things...I've read a fan theory that the name "James Bond" is a code name, along with 007 as a code number, given to the agent.  This, they say, explains how the person continues as a spy after 50 years of fighting the enemy, still a young and fit guy.  Now, in theory, this could work in the real world.  But no.  It's altering things just to explain how six actors have played the same role.

As to Bond being played by a black actor, or other actor, I'm willing to give everyone a chance.  I went into Casino Royale (the Craig film), expecting to hate it.  Instead, I found myself drawn into this new Bond, because I thought they wrote a good story.  And, I've enjoyed all of the Craig films, some more, some less.  A woman, no.  Create a different agent who is a woman (as it appears they are doing) and I can give it a chance.

Dame Dench as M.  I expected to hate it.  Expected them to make a big deal out of her gender.  Instead, they made her a tough as nails boss who happened to be a woman.  It worked well, IMHO.  Ralph Fiennes is showing promise.  His role is Skyfall was good.

Ranking the Bonds is hard.  It's a combination of the actor, but also the writing/story.  Moore's Bond was a joke, and written to play it that way all too often.  Which is too bad because they had some decent stories to work with, and too many times they played for the laugh.  Dalton...well, he could have been okay.  But the movies were just poorly written.  I mean, Bond giving up his job to seek revenge for the attack on Felix Leiter and his wife had the potential to be an amazing story.  That's not what we got.  So, ranking the Bonds based on how I enjoyed the actor and the films he did...

1.  Connery.  He's the Bond that my great-grandfather and father introduced me to.
2.  Craig.  Like Ben, I'm enjoying the gritty killer, with a bit of style.
3.  Brosnan.  Liked two, one was meh, one was just bad.
3.  Moore.  Liked parts of the movies, dislike the campiness.
3.  Dalton.  They had potential.
4.  Lazenby.  Nope. 
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Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2021, 07:39:59 PM »

Get a can while you can, I say.  =)

Setting money aside!
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Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2021, 07:49:16 PM »

So, what exactly is CraigBond's back story? His family seems to be dead, the ancestral mansion gone to decay... A young man of the peerage who went military instead of politics after their demise? And who demised them?

It was somewhat alluded to in Casino Royale that the Intelligence Service and SAS looked for the maladjusted orphans.
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Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
« Reply #32 on: September 12, 2021, 08:02:59 PM »

A few things...I've read a fan theory that the name "James Bond" is a code name, along with 007 as a code number, given to the agent.  This, they say, explains how the person continues as a spy after 50 years of fighting the enemy, still a young and fit guy.  Now, in theory, this could work in the real world.  But no.  It's altering things just to explain how six actors have played the same role.


Except that in some of the early books it's mentioned that he holds -- or held -- the naval rank of Commander. I doubt they would associate the military rank with an assumed name.

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Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2021, 07:02:43 AM »

Except that in some of the early books it's mentioned that he holds -- or held -- the naval rank of Commander. I doubt they would associate the military rank with an assumed name.

True.  They even referred to him as Commander a few times in the films.
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Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2021, 07:21:05 AM »

Except that in some of the early books it's mentioned that he holds -- or held -- the naval rank of Commander. I doubt they would associate the military rank with an assumed name.

Sure they would.

It's part of his overall cover.

But, more importantly, it's a movie based on a book. They can do whatever the hell they want as it's not even remotely real life.  :facepalm:

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Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2021, 08:31:03 AM »

True.  They even referred to him as Commander a few times in the films.

In You Only Live Twice he even gets an at sea naval funeral
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Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
« Reply #37 on: September 21, 2021, 07:16:46 PM »

https://vt.co/entertainment/film-tv/9-of-the-top-contenders-to-play-james-bond-after-daniel-craig?utm_source=vt&utm_medium=junglecreations&utm_campaign=post&fbclid=IwAR3XV9gKFDLgrGniz96uzXoU3t2fFmlDRvQZDnd20MDZUoWSNL1hxhVEeyM

Tom Hardy is apparently leading the pack as Bond replacements.

And then there's Lashana Lynch.

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"It would depend on a lot of things," she told Vogue, when she was asked about the coveted role. "Nomi represents one thing in this movie, but if she was going to represent more down the line, I would want to talk about the black female experience to the high heavens, and I don’t know if people are ready for that."

I think I can answer that -- No, we're NOT ready for that. If you want to play Bond, play a deadly secret agent. If you want to play a woke SJW -- create your own damned character.

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Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
« Reply #38 on: September 21, 2021, 07:19:06 PM »

Any interest I might have had in hearing about the "black female experience" evaporated sometime last year. Individual experiences only, please.
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Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2021, 08:40:54 PM »

I would neither accept him played by a woman nor a black man. Just because someone is a good actor like Elba doesn't make him a good fit for the character. We all know why they would change him to either choice, and being a good actor wouldn't be it.
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Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
« Reply #41 on: September 21, 2021, 09:48:18 PM »

I would neither accept him played by a woman nor a black man. Just because someone is a good actor like Elba doesn't make him a good fit for the character. We all know why they would change him to either choice, and being a good actor wouldn't be it.

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Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
« Reply #43 on: September 22, 2021, 01:12:26 PM »

I would neither accept him played by a woman nor a black man. Just because someone is a good actor like Elba doesn't make him a good fit for the character. We all know why they would change him to either choice, and being a good actor wouldn't be it.
Agreed.

And further, we would already know at that point that a good story and good writing and good acting would not be the priorities of the people making the movie.  I wouldn't have an issue with a movie about say Agent 004 with someone of a different race or gender, but it still needs a good story and good writing or else the movie will suck and be a failure. 

IMO, the Hollywood people that push race or gender swaps are incapable of making a good story which is why they push for race and gender swaps to leach off an existing successful franchise. 
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Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
« Reply #44 on: September 22, 2021, 01:15:47 PM »

I would neither accept him played by a woman nor a black man. Just because someone is a good actor like Elba doesn't make him a good fit for the character. We all know why they would change him to either choice, and being a good actor wouldn't be it.

To be brutally honest, I see Elba as being a FAR better fit for the Bond character than Moore, Dalton, or Brosnan. Moore is tolerable, but watching Dalton and Brosnan was like having teeth drilled without novacaine.
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Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2021, 01:19:04 PM »

The problem with Idris Elba is he is getting up there in age.  He would have been a better choice 10 years ago. 

Tom Holland is a horrible choice.  Tom Hardy looks like he would be better as the US counterpart/contact in a Bond movie.
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Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2021, 06:34:30 PM »

James Bond should look Scottish man.

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Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
« Reply #47 on: September 23, 2021, 07:18:51 AM »

Daniel Craig is 5 years older than Idris Elba.

Then there's this just out...

https://news.yahoo.com/no-time-die-director-claims-073909054.html

Basically, the director of No Time to Die says that Sean Connery's character was basically a rapist. Hell, I recognized that about his character when I was 10 and watching his movies on broadcast TV.

And no, that's not Connery, that's how the character was written and a lot more indicative of the times.
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Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
« Reply #48 on: September 23, 2021, 10:15:16 AM »

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Re: The new James Bond movie: No time to die
« Reply #49 on: September 23, 2021, 03:19:31 PM »



Soooo, does this mean he must become acquainted with, as Winston Churchill would say, the finest traditions of the Royal Navy?
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