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Lennyjoe

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Cooling earth by geoengineering
« on: September 15, 2021, 07:59:25 AM »

Read an interesting article this morning while taking care of business. Seems the business outcome was the same as the Information in this article….

https://futurism.com/the-byte/scientists-plan-cool-world-geoengineering

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Re: Cooling earth by geoengineering
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2021, 09:20:29 AM »

Should be easy.  Just change the chemicals they are putting in the jet contrails.   =D   [tinfoil]    :laugh:


...or maybe not.
https://www.science.org/news/2019/06/aviation-s-dirty-secret-airplane-contrails-are-surprisingly-potent-cause-global-warming
Aviation's dirty secret: Airplane contrails are a surprisingly potent cause of global warming
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Re: Cooling earth by geoengineering
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2021, 09:23:57 AM »

You guys don't actually think Starlink is about satellite internet service do you? [tinfoil] [tinfoil] [tinfoil]
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Re: Cooling earth by geoengineering
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2021, 09:25:08 AM »

I am always highly suspect about all the ambitious plans.  If we actually implemented some of them, I imagine there would be a lot of side effects we didn't anticipate. 
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Re: Cooling earth by geoengineering
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2021, 09:35:30 AM »

I am always highly suspect about all the ambitious plans.  If we actually implemented some of them, I imagine there would be a lot of side effects we didn't anticipate.
The #1 side effect of all - all! - the global warming/climate change/geoengineering proposals I've heard about is to funnel money out of YOUR pocket into the pockets of people like Algore and others of his ilk. "Green new deal" and other proposals are a scam the scale of which makes Bernie Madoff's antics look like a game of three card Monte in a Brooklyn alley by comparison.
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Re: Cooling earth by geoengineering
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2021, 09:39:33 AM »

The whole PNW was blanketed with smoke all summer. Did it make a difference? If not, how could a geoengineering effort move the needle unless it were equally big, and how could we possibly do something so big?

If so, what happens when we geoengineer something massive, then there are wildfires or volcano eruptions on top of that? We can't see the future, so we can't be sure our efforts will even be in the right direction.
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Re: Cooling earth by geoengineering
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2021, 10:07:15 AM »

I’m not buying I to the whole global warming caused by man thingy.  Geology tells the story of earths warming and cooling over millions of years.

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Re: Cooling earth by geoengineering
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2021, 10:36:28 AM »

I’m not buying I to the whole global warming caused by man thingy.  Geology tells the story of earths warming and cooling over millions of years.

This is one of my pet peeves in the whole Climate Change Debate.  Human caused climate change and natural warming cooling cycles are not mutually exclusive.  Just because the earth's climate demonstrably goes through natural cycles doesn't mean that we don't want to make sure human activity doesn't muck things up (or alternatively, keep the natural cycle nice for us as long as possible).  Both sides are correct.

The whole PNW was blanketed with smoke all summer. Did it make a difference? If not, how could a geoengineering effort move the needle unless it were equally big, and how could we possibly do something so big?

If so, what happens when we geoengineer something massive, then there are wildfires or volcano eruptions on top of that? We can't see the future, so we can't be sure our efforts will even be in the right direction.

Well....we could set off Yellowstone, or another Krakatoa.  That should neatly solve the global warming thing.  There may be other side effects.........

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Re: Cooling earth by geoengineering
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2021, 10:56:40 AM »

Well since Iran and North Korea both ramped up thier nuke programs with the tough guy in charge I don't think it will be long before we have at least a small nuclear winter.
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Re: Cooling earth by geoengineering
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2021, 05:19:23 PM »

This is one of my pet peeves in the whole Climate Change Debate.  Human caused climate change and natural warming cooling cycles are not mutually exclusive.  Just because the earth's climate demonstrably goes through natural cycles doesn't mean that we don't want to make sure human activity doesn't muck things up (or alternatively, keep the natural cycle nice for us as long as possible).  Both sides are correct.

Well....we could set off Yellowstone, or another Krakatoa.  That should neatly solve the global warming thing.  There may be other side effects.........
1.  Politics is involved so nothing can really be trusted. 
2.  The amount of temperature changes they document are very small and then they are based on calculated average temperatures.  The amount of fudge factor and uncertainty in the numbers they are working with exceeds the changes they are seeing IMO.  Trying to blame some percentage of the changes they think they see on man's affect sounds like a lot of guess work to me.  Especially when a natural event can easily throw things the other way. 
3.  There has already been a whole lot of documented forgery and cheating in support of global warming that I find it very difficult to trust anyone supporting it.
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Re: Cooling earth by geoengineering
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2021, 05:19:58 PM »

The #1 side effect of all - all! - the global warming/climate change/geoengineering proposals I've heard about is to funnel money out of YOUR pocket into the pockets of people like Algore and others of his ilk. "Green new deal" and other proposals are a scam the scale of which makes Bernie Madoff's antics look like a game of three card Monte in a Brooklyn alley by comparison.
Well, it is a "Crisis!!" after all.   =)
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Re: Cooling earth by geoengineering
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2021, 06:00:13 PM »

No way seven billion people do not alter the climate. The numbers are all outright lies now so how much can’t be known. I still think we are heading for a few decades of cooling which to me is far more alarming. Global cooling has killed millions and we have history to prove it. Maunder Minimum, Irish potato famine, European wars during that cool period. Any cooling now will put far more pressure on already contested resources.
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Re: Cooling earth by geoengineering
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2021, 11:12:25 PM »

One theory proposed putting sulfur based aerosols into the air as they can raise the albedo (reflectivity) of the atmosphere.  It will, however, increase the incidence of "acid rain" and that won't be good for plants, animals, bridges, any exposed metals, etc.  :facepalm:
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Re: Cooling earth by geoengineering
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2021, 11:49:36 PM »

Wasn’t this the plot of one of the Highlander movies?

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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2021, 09:10:02 AM »

There can be only one.
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Re: Cooling earth by geoengineering
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2021, 11:25:55 AM »

There can be only one.

No there were five, and a TV Show.

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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2021, 12:12:36 PM »

More than one tv show.
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Re: Cooling earth by geoengineering
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2021, 12:53:03 PM »

. . .
3.  There has already been a whole lot of documented forgery and cheating in support of global warming that I find it very difficult to trust anyone supporting it.
You cynic!

They've just been applying correction factors in order to produce the desired, correct results which in many cases actual records and actual measurements don't support.
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Re: Cooling earth by geoengineering
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2021, 01:00:25 PM »

double tap
Trump won in 2016. Democrats haven't been so offended since Republicans came along and freed their slaves.
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