Rittenhouse trial

[De Selby]

And yet this kid’s future is now up to 12 random people. Again with the Florida parallel - although it was much maligned at the time and not used by Zimmerman, this seems to be exactly the kind of scenario FL legislators were thinking of when they legislated to create stand your ground pretrial hearings that let a judge, not a jury, decide a case is self defense.

[WLJ]

Wow

    Eyewitness testifies that Rosenbaum told him and Rittenhouse, “if I catch any of you guys alone tonight I’m going to f-cking kill you” pic.twitter.com/Z8uOkWoZRW

    — Washington Free Beacon (@FreeBeacon) November 4, 2021

    Now that it is confirmed Joseph Rosenbaum was one of the people shot and killed by alleged gunman Kyle Rittenhouse in Kenosha, I filmed him earlier in the night taunting the armed civilians, saying, "Shoot me, n***a." pic.twitter.com/Nn2encm78Y

    — Julio Rosas (@Julio_Rosas11) August 27, 2020

    This is the prosecution's witness? Bizarre.

    — Claudia (@JewsMatterToMe) November 4, 2021

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/11/04/eyewitness-testifies-that-man-kyle-rittenhouse-shot-threatened-to-kill-any-of-you-guys-he-caught-alone-that-night/

[MechAg94]

And yet this kid’s future is now up to 12 random people. Again with the Florida parallel - although it was much maligned at the time and not used by Zimmerman, this seems to be exactly the kind of scenario FL legislators were thinking of when they legislated to create stand your ground pretrial hearings that let a judge, not a jury, decide a case is self defense.

I don't live in Florida, but my understanding is the judge decides if a trial will take place at all.  Not quite the same thing. 

[dogmush]

I don't live in Florida, but my understanding is the judge decides if a trial will take place at all.  Not quite the same thing.

The judge in a SYG hearing can decide that the case is self defense.  The judge can not determine that it is not self defense.

[Ben]

As an aside about "laying low" after the trial, I just saw this in the local commie news:

https://www.idahopress.com/news/local/hotel-gun-conference-featuring-george-zimmerman-has-been-canceled/article_98c53cb2-c1b4-5809-b4c9-b8e77c1ce96c.html

Apparently Zimmerman (who actually seems to have been laying low for the last couple of years) was going to be a speaker, so the usual liberals in Boise harangued the hotel into canceling the conference.

[cordex]

I'm enjoying the debates between the judge and the attorneys more than the repetitive witness testimony.

The prosecution wanted to get dead skateboard dude's great-aunt to testify to his bravery and heroism (thereby implying that his chasing Rittenhouse and trying to take his gun was true to character in a positive way) and after the jury was dismissed the defense read some testimony from a case against dead skateboard dude wherein said skateboard dude forced his brother and grandmother at knifepoint to clean a room, threatened to gut his brother like a pig, and threatened to burn the house down with them inside it.  The defense said that if the witness could testify to skateboard dude's heroism then they wanted to bring up that less savory evidence.  The judge ultimately said that the prosecution could decide whether they wanted to have the great aunt testify to bravery but he was likely to allow the evidence from the defense.

The prosecution decided to drop the question.

[WLJ]

A hero of the left. Netflix will be coming out with a movie of his life story soon.

[French G.]

The guys who came up with skate or die never meant it to be that serious.

[cordex]

Pedophile's fiancée testified.  It's interesting how the prosecution are skirting some of the unpleasant details about pedo and his relationship with the fiancée which was - as I understand - strained to the point that there was some sort of order for him to not stay with her.

The prosecution is sweating because they brought up the fact that he was just home from the hospital.  Defense wanted to use that as a reason to bring up that he was in a mental hospital which the judge didn't like, but then because medications were mentioned in testimony, they asked to be able to question the fiancée about the medication that the pedo had been taking or not taking.  The judge allowed that, which introduced the fact that pedo was bipolar.

[sumpnz]

I almost wonder if the persecution isn’t trying to lose.  Like, they had to take it to trial for political reasons, but don’t actually want a conviction.  But they can’t make it look tooooo obvious.

However that would assume a level of cunning I seriously doubt they possess.

[Hawkmoon]

I almost wonder if the persecution isn’t trying to lose.  Like, they had to take it to trial for political reasons, but don’t actually want a conviction.  But they can’t make it look tooooo obvious.

However that would assume a level of cunning I seriously doubt they possess.

Considering the train wreck of the prosecution's direct examination of McGuiness, it sure looks like they're trying to lose.

[zxcvbob]

Considering the train wreck of the prosecution's direct examination of McGuiness, it sure looks like they're trying to lose.

That's actually possible if they were arm-twisted into bring this case and they know it's bogus.  Nahhhh.... That can't be it.

[Hawkmoon]

Day four through the eyes of Andrew Branca:

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-4-two-state-blunders-create-opportunity-for-the-defense/

[gunsmith]

timcast, a liberal i guess, agree's with us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GolZUeRBzZU

[gunsmith]

Considering the train wreck of the prosecution's direct examination of McGuiness, it sure looks like they're trying to lose.

 Sleepers, starring Bacon, Pitt. Hoffman and DiNiro.
you can see the movie free on youtube, really good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVdiN_4gBWk

 D.A  purposely loses big case to right a wrong

[WLJ]

This case is a Kobayashi Maru for the prosecutor

[Ben]

Might just be a loudmouthed attention whore, but serious if true. Claim is that jurors are being photographed for doxxing if Rittenhouse is not found guilty:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/11/07/man-claiming-to-be-related-to-george-floyd-says-he-knows-of-people-preparing-to-dox-rittenhouse-jurors-if-theres-a-not-guilty-verdict/

I wonder if "pre-doxxing" is a crime or not? Would it fall under jury tampering, or what?

[K Frame]

"Would it fall under jury tampering, or what?"

Jury tampering and/or jury intimidation is a crime, yes.

[WLJ]

I wonder if "pre-doxxing" is a crime or not? Would it fall under jury tampering, or what?

I don't see how this wouldn't.
Sadly probably nothing will be actually done about it for PC reasons other than lip service .

[dogmush]

One day soon some of these "the justice system doesn't work, so mob rule" people are going to encounter the wrong mob, and get *expletive deleted*ed up.

Which, honestly, is the reason they are all in on destroying Kyle.  Because there HAS to be devastating consequences to standing against the mob, or more people will do it.  The little worker bees in black masks might not realize it, but those politicians and DA's do.  If people can stand up to their unofficial army and win, it looses it's value.

[WLJ]

One day soon some of these "the justice system doesn't work, so mob rule" people are going to encounter the wrong mob, and get *expletive deleted*ed up.

Which, honestly, is the reason they are all in on destroying Kyle.  Because there HAS to be devastating consequences to standing against the mob,

standing against their mob

[Lennyjoe]

The surviving person who Kyle shot is supposed to testify today.  Wasn’t he the one that told his buddy after the shooting that “if I had another chance I’d kill him”? I’m sure he’ll make a great witness for the prosecutor

[sumpnz]

Holy crap!  You guys need to see the testimony, especially the first portion of the cross on Lefty.  In a just world this would result in a directed verdict of not guilty on at least the murder charges.

https://youtu.be/XZEdgcTbJ4Q

[dogmush]

That testimony was.....not great for the state.

For those that don't want to scroll through the live feed the highlights are the defense got Grosskreutz (the dude shot in the arm) to confirm that an earlier person ran up to Kyle, didn't attack, and Kyle held fire, then he admitted that when he was shot, he was moving towards Kyle, three feet away, and pointing a loaded Glock at Kyle.

It seems al though after the lunch break the defense is going to ask him about his roommates tweet where he is quoted as saying that he regrets not mag dumping into Kyle.  But honestly the "Moving forward and pointing a gun at him" part is probably all they needed.  ADA Binger literally put his head in his hands at the prosecution table.

[Ben]

The head in the hand moment:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1457774701673996298

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/11/08/prosecutors-literally-facepalm-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-should-be-over-immediately-following-this-bombshell-line-of-questioning-watch/