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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #425 on: November 17, 2021, 01:55:25 AM »
A legal question:  If the judge rules it's a mistrial with prejudice, can the Feds still charge him?

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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #426 on: November 17, 2021, 02:41:03 AM »
The Rodney King cops caught federal charges after the jury in the state level case acquitted them.  A mistrial with prejudice is functionally equivalent to an acquittal.  Legally it might be different, but if anything it would make a federal case easier.  So, aside from the complete miscarriage of justice such a case would represent, and the political backlash that they know won’t happen anyway, what’s to stop them?

In order for the feds to charge and prosecute him, there has to be a federal law that he broke. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any. All the people he shot were white, and he's white, so they can't claim it was a racial incident or a hate crime.
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #427 on: November 17, 2021, 03:44:19 AM »
In order for the feds to charge and prosecute him, there has to be a federal law that he broke. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any. All the people he shot were white, and he's white, so they can't claim it was a racial incident or a hate crime.

What federal law did the Rodney King cops break?

They claimed civil rights violations because there weren’t any federal laws broken.  It was case that never should have happened but it did and it set precedent as a result. 

The whites Rittenhouse killed were the good kind. [NPR voice] Clearly [/NPR Voice]. So it can still be a racist hate crime. 

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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #428 on: November 17, 2021, 06:01:43 AM »
The Rodney King cops caught federal charges after the jury in the state level case acquitted them.  A mistrial with prejudice is functionally equivalent to an acquittal.  Legally it might be different, but if anything it would make a federal case easier.  So, aside from the complete miscarriage of justice such a case would represent, and the political backlash that they know won’t happen anyway, what’s to stop them?

I’m sure the Biden regime has instructed the feds to file charges as soon as an acquittal or mistrial occurs.

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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #429 on: November 17, 2021, 06:12:16 AM »
I decided that if I was a lower life form I would go after him federally for denial of the deceased first amendment rights, obviously a hate crime because he used terrorism. Lock him in pretrial confinement until the world forgets. Few months of sleep deprivation and sign this and you can be free.
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #430 on: November 17, 2021, 07:05:08 AM »
In order for the feds to charge and prosecute him, there has to be a federal law that he broke. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any. All the people he shot were white, and he's white, so they can't claim it was a racial incident or a hate crime.

They could still claim civil rights violations. It's been done before when the perp and victim have been the same race.
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« Reply #431 on: November 17, 2021, 07:53:00 AM »
I decided that if I was a lower life form I would go after him federally for denial of the deceased first amendment rights, obviously a hate crime because he used terrorism. Lock him in pretrial confinement until the world forgets. Few months of sleep deprivation and sign this and you can be free.

Look at what they are doing to 06JAN protestors. People are still being held without bail, and I shockingly read recently that some of them have "accidently" been put in situations where they were beaten during their one hour of free time while others have been denied basic needs, like showers.

I never thought I would be in a situation where I had to talk about the United States, the beacon of freedom in the world, as if we were North Korea, but here we are. Thanks deep state.

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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #432 on: November 17, 2021, 08:01:43 AM »
I've read that the Jan 6 political prisoners have been told no vaccination = no haircuts, shaving or religious services.
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #433 on: November 17, 2021, 08:11:56 AM »
In order for the feds to charge and prosecute him, there has to be a federal law that he broke. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any. All the people he shot were white, and he's white, so they can't claim it was a racial incident or a hate crime.

Never underestimate the left's, MSM's, and Fed Govt's ability to twist anything they want, no matter how stupid it may be, into a racist hate crime.

Our unarmed heroes of justice were peacefully protesting for a black justice cause in an unjust racist white supremacist country when a flag waving Trump supporter chased them down and gunned them down in the street. Thus he committed a chargeable racist hate crime against black justice protesters.

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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #434 on: November 17, 2021, 08:14:49 AM »
Never underestimate the left's, MSM's, and Fed Govt's ability to twist anything they want, no matter how stupid it may be, into a racist hate crime.
Our unarmed heroes of justice were peacefully protesting for a black justice cause in an unjust racist white supremacist country when a flag waving Trump supporter chased them down and gunned them down in the street thus he committed a chargeable racist hate crime against black justice.

They are singing the praises of a violent pedophile as if he were a saint. You don't need to know more than that to see how whacko they are.
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #435 on: November 17, 2021, 08:16:49 AM »
I expect Biden to announce hate crime charges are to be filed and tax payer money to be coming soon to the families of the fallen heroes and the lone survivor of this attack no matter the jury's decision.
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« Reply #436 on: November 17, 2021, 08:22:21 AM »
This is only hearsay, but I have read stuff by this guy before, and he seems to generally post reliable information:

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Two jurors holding decision up, outright citing backlash, per US Marshal in Kenosha

I am just now listening to the news and they said that the protestors have been so loud that they can be clearly heard inside the building. I'm unsure if the jurors are sequestered there or elsewhere, but if there, and they are hearing those violent threats, the above quote seems quite plausible.
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #437 on: November 17, 2021, 08:57:32 AM »
The Rodney King cops caught federal charges after the jury in the state level case acquitted them.  A mistrial with prejudice is functionally equivalent to an acquittal.  Legally it might be different, but if anything it would make a federal case easier.  So, aside from the complete miscarriage of justice such a case would represent, and the political backlash that they know won’t happen anyway, what’s to stop them?

Yea, I should have thought of that.  Also the Feds were ready to arrest the officer that kneeled on Floyd's neck if he was acquitted.  So I would guess some depravation of civil rights charge because of the penumbra of race.  Strange that we have come to that and still call it law.
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #438 on: November 17, 2021, 09:08:34 AM »
Lucy! you got some splainin to do

SIREN: Rittenhouse lawyers file motion for a ‘mistrial with prejudice’ after catching prosecutors withholding video evidence
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« Reply #439 on: November 17, 2021, 09:09:59 AM »

SIREN: Rittenhouse lawyers file motion for a ‘mistrial with prejudice’ after catching prosecutors withholding video evidence
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/11/17/siren-rittenhouse-lawyers-file-motion-for-a-mistrial-with-prejudice-after-catching-prosecutors-withholding-video-evidence/

I was just about to post that. I don't know how accurate that is, but given what we've seen from these prosecutors, I'd buy it.
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #440 on: November 17, 2021, 09:22:29 AM »
Very interesting.

I wonder if Binger went to the same lawschool that Mike Nifong attended...

It would explain a lot.
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #441 on: November 17, 2021, 09:23:19 AM »
Quote from: Rittenhouse lawyers file motion for a ‘mistrial with prejudice’ after catching prosecutors withholding video evidence
Pros. sent a compressed version of the drone video to defense, when they had the full resolution
Lots of issues with image resolution in this trial.
Assistant District Attorney James Kraus accused defense attorneys of making a dishonest argument because the enlarged footage “shows their client is lying.” The defense team's hired video analyst used similar software to enlarge video footage during his testimony earlier Thursday, Kraus noted.

“All due respect to Your Honor, I think the defense is trying to take advantage of your lack of knowledge about technology which you’ve expressed,” Kraus said.

Schroeder’s confusion with the technical details was obvious in court. Earlier in the week, he questioned whether using the pinch-and-zoom feature on an iPad would alter an image and barred prosecutors from using that while presenting video evidence to jurors.

“I totally agree with your comment about my lack of familiarity with these concepts, although logic, I have some logical skills,” he said on Thursday. “This is a difficult concept for me, yes.”
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #442 on: November 17, 2021, 09:27:55 AM »
99% sure we're either going to have an acquittal or a mistrial with prejudice.
The latter while good will only inflame the left even more than the former and I wouldn't be surprise if hits are called for on the judge by many on the left followed by the Biden admin filing charges with many in congress cheering it on to score PC points.
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #443 on: November 17, 2021, 09:44:12 AM »
Lots of issues with image resolution in this trial.
Honestly I never considered whether the iPhone video zoom would use interpolation.  I wouldn't have assumed that it does, but I don't know that for a fact.  I know phones do tons of post-processing of photos and videos they record to get a better image out of the limited camera capabilities so I don't see why they couldn't upscale a video on playback.  However, assuming the defense were given a low resolution video presented to them as the full video, I could also see them considering the higher resolution video shown by the prosecution as likely having been upscaled.

The defense also objected to using a 4k TV for playing 1080P video as many high resolution TVs are capable of doing upscaling via interpolation.  That is also true, however I don't know if the TV in question was set up to do that.

Ultimately, though, I never saw anything in any of the video or stills they claim clearly demonstrates that Rittenhouse pointed his gun at the Zaminskis.  Do you?

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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #444 on: November 17, 2021, 09:49:07 AM »
99% sure we're either going to have an acquittal or a mistrial with prejudice.
The latter while good will only inflame the left even more than the former and I wouldn't be surprise if hits are called for on the judge by many on the left followed by the Biden admin filing charges with many in congress cheering it on to score PC points.

The only logical reason for the judge to hold back on ruling on the mistrial motions is to let the jury acquit Rittenhouse, and only make the rulings if the hang or convict. 

Those persecutors need to be removed from their jobs and barred from ever working in law again.

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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #445 on: November 17, 2021, 09:59:16 AM »
I know the Feds filed civil rights charges against the cops in the Rodney King incident, and were prepared to do the same in the George Floyd incident - many thought that this violated the Constitution's prohibition against double jeopardy, but the contrary view prevailed. But note - in each case, the Federal civil rights charges were targeting  government employees who were alleged to have violated a person's civil rights under color of law. IANAL, but I don't see much of an opening for similar charges against Kyle - unless they just decide to proceed anyway with bogus charges based on the unspoken premise that "the process is the punishment." (The Feds were involved in the George Zimmerman case as investigators, but note, no federal charges were actually filed after Zimmerman's acquittal.)

As far as the yahoos outside the courthouse, the news report I saw said there were both "protestors" and "counter-protestors" out in front, but the newsies made no attempt to interview any or give an idea of the relative size of the two groups.

I still don't see that every person on a Kenosha jury will vote to convict Kyle of anything since even the prosecutor said the perps were involved in the rioting that destroyed a good part of their home town. But it only takes one person who either loves antifa/blm, hates guns, or is intimidated by the protestors to dig in their heels as a lone voice for conviction and hang the jury.
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #446 on: November 17, 2021, 10:09:10 AM »
So if I got this right.
What they're saying is the prosecution took a clear(er) high res video, made a compressed lower res copy or at the very least withheld the higher res ver, then "enhanced" the low res compressed ver, then showed the jury the "enhanced" version and then basically told the jury what they were seeing in the glob of pixels.
Right?

Image recording by it's very nature creates image artifacts, compressing it creates more image artifacts, then "Enhancing" creates even more image artifacts on top of that.
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #447 on: November 17, 2021, 10:33:10 AM »
Find a jpeg with small details. Lets call it Photo A
Resize it to half, save as Photo B. Note every time you save a jpeg, which is a compressed format, the image is recompressed* thus losing detail each time.
Then resize it back.
Zoom in on small tiny details and compare both.

*Many programs allow you to adjust how much compression is applied when saving.
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #448 on: November 17, 2021, 10:35:39 AM »
Find a jpeg with small details. Lets call it Photo A
Resize it to half, save as Photo B. Note every time you save a jpeg, which is a compressed format, the image is recompressed thus losing detail each time.
Then resize it back.
Zoom in on small tiny details and compare both.


Oddly enough, exactly what I've spent my morning doing... grabbing screen captures using Snipit, saving them as pictures, and importing them into documents I'm working on.

Depending on how I save it, the image suffers. A lot.
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #449 on: November 17, 2021, 10:40:13 AM »

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