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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #775 on: December 01, 2021, 10:03:45 AM »
If he starts doing things as a public figure, does that undermine his potential defamation/libel lawsuits?

IANAL but my guess would be "Yes."
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #776 on: December 01, 2021, 10:13:10 AM »
If he starts doing things as a public figure, does that undermine his potential defamation/libel lawsuits?

From my understanding, only going forward.  Liable committed previously when was not a “public person” is still more easily actionable.

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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #777 on: December 01, 2021, 11:01:58 AM »
If he starts doing things as a public figure, does that undermine his potential defamation/libel lawsuits?

If this was a just world his willing enterance into public figurehood after the defamation took place it shouldn't.
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #778 on: December 01, 2021, 11:05:52 AM »
If he starts doing things as a public figure, does that undermine his potential defamation/libel lawsuits?

IMHO, it probably does for libel going forward.  It does not affect lawsuits for defamation that occurred last year.
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #779 on: December 01, 2021, 10:02:14 PM »
My head hurts

Watch: ASU students protest ‘racist murderer’ Kyle Rittenhouse, who isn’t enrolled there but whose ancestors killed black and brown people
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/12/01/watch-asu-students-protest-racist-murderer-kyle-rittenhouse-who-isnt-enrolled-there-but-whose-ancestors-killed-black-and-brown-people/
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #780 on: December 02, 2021, 12:41:33 AM »
My head hurts

Watch: ASU students protest ‘racist murderer’ Kyle Rittenhouse, who isn’t enrolled there but whose ancestors killed black and brown people
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/12/01/watch-asu-students-protest-racist-murderer-kyle-rittenhouse-who-isnt-enrolled-there-but-whose-ancestors-killed-black-and-brown-people/

Oh, he IS enrolled there but only for on-line classes.
And, if those demonstrators feel that ASU is a "white supremacist" university, they should find another college !
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #781 on: December 02, 2021, 09:45:58 AM »
MAC looks at the forward assist and Rittenhouse using it to get his rifle going again that night.
Amazing he did so fast in the heat of the moment.

Kyle Rittenhouse and the AR15 Forward Assist
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #783 on: December 02, 2021, 10:39:08 AM »
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #784 on: December 02, 2021, 10:40:31 AM »
That immediately shuts down a lot of the spittlescreechers.
 
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #786 on: December 02, 2021, 10:47:18 AM »
On some level I really can’t blame him.  While he could have sold it for 10-100x it’s normal worth, it would be something of a ghastly relic of the events and given his PTSD over it, destroying the rifle is probably the best thing for him.

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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #787 on: December 02, 2021, 10:48:17 AM »
Bodycam Footage of the pulled over NBC Producer who was following the KR Jury Bus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVd3p9wJJVo
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #788 on: December 02, 2021, 10:54:31 AM »
On some level I really can’t blame him.  While he could have sold it for 10-100x it’s normal worth, it would be something of a ghastly relic of the events and given his PTSD over it, destroying the rifle is probably the best thing for him.

Sold off the Glock 26 I had my little accident with. There was nothing wrong with the gun just every time I picked it up it gave me unpleasant feelings. Wouldn't mind having another G26 just not that one. It's a mental thing
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #789 on: December 02, 2021, 10:54:42 AM »
Lin Wood has always been a bit nutty, but I think the 2020 election just completely sent him off the deep end.
I plan to file defamation actions against all republishers of the false accusation of Kyle Rittenhouse,” Wood claimed, listing off the likes of Republican Reps. Dan Crenshaw and Marjorie Taylor Greene, along with the hosts of Fox & Friends, and Pizzagate conspiracy theorist Jack Posobiec as future defendants.

“I’ll sue every damn one of them,” he declared. “They acted with reckless disregard for truth or falsity. On my time, I am going to sue every damn one of them.”


On some level I really can’t blame him.  While he could have sold it for 10-100x it’s normal worth, it would be something of a ghastly relic of the events and given his PTSD over it, destroying the rifle is probably the best thing for him.
I agree. I think it's easy for people to get caught up in all the attached culture war, memes & political posturing and view it as a "win". For Kyle it was probably the worst night of his life and saving a memento of that makes no sense.

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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #790 on: December 02, 2021, 10:59:59 AM »
On some level I really can’t blame him.  While he could have sold it for 10-100x it’s normal worth, it would be something of a ghastly relic of the events and given his PTSD over it, destroying the rifle is probably the best thing for him.

I get that, and maybe it was MSM biased reporting, but it just sounded like a PR move similar to his BLM comment. Might have been better to say nothing unless asked, then simply say "I destroyed it" or similar, maybe even mentioning PTSD.
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #791 on: December 03, 2021, 02:05:27 AM »
FWIW, it would make more sense to me if he gave it or sold it to a trustworthy 3rd party, so they could quietly sell it (or the parts), w/o mentioning its provenance.
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #792 on: December 03, 2021, 06:01:30 AM »
I wonder if he kept the optics. Someone noticed they were gone at the trial. Sounds trivial, but they should have the same emotional / PR loading, no?

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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #793 on: December 03, 2021, 07:34:24 AM »
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #794 on: December 03, 2021, 09:14:58 AM »
FWIW, it would make more sense to me if he gave it or sold it to a trustworthy 3rd party, so they could quietly sell it (or the parts), w/o mentioning its provenance.

But, destroying it probably had cathartic value. 

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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #795 on: December 03, 2021, 06:40:46 PM »
I think its silly to assign an air of "evilness" to an inanimate object like the AR15 that Kyle used to defend himself against some very bad people.

I have a Mosin-Nagant made in 1939. Given the date, there's an excellent chance some son of Mother Russia used it on some Nazis. I don't mind knowing that at all.
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #796 on: December 03, 2021, 07:59:23 PM »
Wouldn’t it still be in evidence for the straw purchase trial?

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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #797 on: December 03, 2021, 11:35:05 PM »
Wouldn’t it still be in evidence for the straw purchase trial?

Given they dismissed the illegal possession charge, and Kyle was found justified by self defense there’s no crime committed with the rifle, so one would think those charges against Dominic Black would have to be dropped.  Possible they won’t, just because they’re dicks.  But, if Kyle got the rifle back I’m thinking they must have dropped the charges against his friend.

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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #798 on: December 04, 2021, 01:22:19 AM »
Given they dismissed the illegal possession charge, and Kyle was found justified by self defense there’s no crime committed with the rifle, so one would think those charges against Dominic Black would have to be dropped.  Possible they won’t, just because they’re dicks.  But, if Kyle got the rifle back I’m thinking they must have dropped the charges against his friend.
Nope, not dropped yet.  Technically the charge is selling a gun to someone under 18, which is different than providing a gun to someone under 18.

Given that the case against Black isn’t dropped, I doubt Rittenhouse has had the rifle destroyed, although he may have told the state he doesn’t want it back or something.

https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2020CF001275&countyNo=30&index=0&mode=details

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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #799 on: December 04, 2021, 11:47:31 AM »
But, destroying it probably had cathartic value.

I sold a gun that gave me hyperacusis because I couldn't stand to have it around any more.