Juvenile hunter fatally shoots suspected thief with arrow

[MechAg94]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/juvenile-hunter-fatally-shoots-suspected-182100715.html

A Missouri boy fatally shot an alleged thief with an arrow after catching the man trying to steal a tractor on a family friend’s property, authorities said Tuesday.

The family’s attorney said the young hunter warned the man several times to stop and was “in fear of his safety” as the accused thief came closer, according to the sheriff’s office. The man apparently did not stop, so the boy released an arrow that fatally struck him, authorities said.

Assuming the facts are right, I hope things work out for them and they don't get screwed over. 

[T.O.M.]

So...what draw weight for a tractor thief? 

[MillCreek]

I, for one, would not want to take a broadhead to the chest.

[RoadKingLarry]

So...what draw weight for a tractor thief?

45# and a good sharp broadhead on your arrow will give you a passthrough on 90% of any game animal or 2 legged vermin in the lower 48.

[MillCreek]

^^^Since I know nothing of archery, what is 'passthrough " in this context? The arrow is sticking out the other side?

[Ron]

^^^Since I know nothing of archery, what is 'passthrough " in this context? The arrow is sticking out the other side?

Passes all the way through.

I don't think there are any penetration issues hunting with modern bows.

Hopefully you see the LED on your expensive carbon fiber arrow after it passes through the deer.

[Bogie]

Yeah, and when the damn thing tunnels under a dozen or so yards of prairie...

[230RN]

Passes all the way through.

I don't think there are any penetration issues hunting with modern bows.

Hopefully you see the LED on your expensive carbon fiber arrow after it passes through the deer.

I did a penetration experiment once.  Dropped a 230 grain .45 bullet onto a slice of steak on a cutting board from three feet up and the nose barely dented it.

Repeated this with a broadhead arrow and the point went right through that steak and stuck in the cutting board it was lying on.

The arrow sure wins in penetration.

Terry

[sumpnz]

I did a penetration experiment once.  Dropped a 230 grain .45 bullet onto a slice of steak on a cutting board from three feet up and the nose barely dented it.

Repeated this with a broadhead arrow and the point went right through that steak and stuck in the cutting board it was lying on.

The arrow sure wins in penetration.

Terry

I took hunter safety in AZ close to 20 years ago now.  The did a demo where the fired I think it was a .357mag into a plastic bucket (thin plastic like what a tree or shrub would be sold in) filled with sand.  Then an arrow from a hunting legal bow.  Sand stopped the bullet, but not the arrow.

A bit more meaningful than that kitchen experiment.

Anyway sounds like the kid has a legit self defense claim.  Hopefully they don’t charge him, or his parents.

[230RN]

"A bit more meaningful than that kitchen experiment."

I can't tell if you took that seriously or not.

I first saw that one in an archery magazine back in the 70s.

They weren't serious either.

[Devonai]

Anyway sounds like the kid has a legit self defense claim.

May the odds forever be in his favor.

[Fly320s]

I, for one, would not want to take a broadhead to the chest.

How about a redhead to the groin?

[Boomhauer]

I never knew the penetration ability of an arrow from a compound bow until I saw a guy shooting one on an archery range. The standard recurves would just stick in the target, the guy shooting the compound, well, the thickest block we had might as well not have been there. I was impressed.

And the hunting broadheads these days make any hollow point on the market look like a nerf dart.

[K Frame]

And this is why we need gun control, damn it!

[RoadKingLarry]

How about a redhead to the groin?

[MechAg94]

I never knew the penetration ability of an arrow from a compound bow until I saw a guy shooting one on an archery range. The standard recurves would just stick in the target, the guy shooting the compound, well, the thickest block we had might as well not have been there. I was impressed.

And the hunting broadheads these days make any hollow point on the market look like a nerf dart.

I would say it all depends on the pull rating of the bow.  I thought compound bows just make it easier to use a bow with a higher pull rating. 

My old boss hunted with a cross bow and he said the bolt would pass through a deer easily.  I don't remember what type of bow.  He was using the mechanical points that extend out on impact.

[sumpnz]

Most archers I know have gone away from mechanical broadheads.  Too much risk of failure to expand for not enough aerodynamic advantages.

Compound bows have several advantages.  They make it possible to hold a high draw weight bow at full draw.  You also get higher velocities for a given draw weight vs long or recurve bows.  The necessity for stiffer arrows also I think contributes to better accuracy.

[MechAg94]

I don't own a bow, but I have used them a few times.  Compound bows do make it easier.  Last time I fired one was bowfishing.  More than a few years ago.

[Angel Eyes]

How about a redhead to the groin?

I was thinking "an arrow to the knee" but your way has potential.

[cordex]

 
You guys are pretty blasé about the fact that there is someone out there hunting kids with a bow and arrow.

[RoadKingLarry]

You guys are pretty blasé about the fact that there is someone out there hunting kids with a bow and arrow.

I thought the story was about kids hunting crooks with a bow and arrow.
 

[WLJ]

You guys are pretty blasé about the fact that there is someone out there hunting kids with a bow and arrow.

What do you hunt them with?

[Hawkmoon]

What do you hunt them with?

Bait a line with a couple of cheerleaders and go trolling ...

[WLJ]

Bait a line with a couple of cheerleaders and go trolling ...

If I caught a couple of cheerleaders I doubt I would be using them as bait   

[Kingcreek]

I would not want to take a hit from a broadhead which is basically a 300ft/second scalpel.
I have shot over 70 Illinois whitetail with arrows, some of the deer quite large. Anything other than a total pass thru is rare and usually because heavy bone stops it or slows it down.
I shot my bow full crank at 72 pounds draw weight for years. In recent years due to age and arthritis I have had to turn my draw weight down lower and lower. Other than a need to adjust my sights, I have seen very little difference in results unless maybe my arrows aren’t stuck in the ground as far after going through the deer.
I never did like mechanical broadheads. I started shooting 100gr muzzy (3blade) many years ago and saw no need to change.