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Author Topic: China will assume control of Taiwan  (Read 567 times)

Ron

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China will assume control of Taiwan
« on: October 07, 2021, 09:15:27 AM »

I'm thinking within the decade and it will be a peaceful affair.
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Re: China will assume control of Taiwan
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2021, 09:37:33 AM »

I think there's too many variables there to make a solid guess.

They certainly want to, but I don't think they are willing to risk a shooting war with NATO over it.  I don't know enough about Aussie politics to guess where they stand on Taiwan, but a couple nuclear attack boats are a pretty pointed message to a country with 1.5 working carrier.

The west, on the other hand, could use a good shooting war to unify the disparate tribes we are dealing with.

Additionally, as we have said in other threads, China is running into resource problems in expanding their coprosperity sphere, which I think is more of a driver to their actions than Taiwan.

And lastly, if I were Taiwan, I would be making it known to all of the west that all the advanced chip plants they have are rigged to blow, and if China comes in and they don't get help they are taking 92% of the worlds advanced microchips with them.

Throw in some cultural communication issues between east and west, any upheaval in China internally, and the US's .......let's say tumultuous political environment, and you might as well be throwing chicken bones.

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Re: China will assume control of Taiwan
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2021, 09:43:38 AM »

And lastly, if I were Taiwan, I would be making it known to all of the west that all the advanced chip plants they have are rigged to blow, and if China comes in and they don't get help they are taking 92% of the worlds advanced microchips with them.

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Re: China will assume control of Taiwan
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2021, 09:57:59 AM »

And lastly, if I were Taiwan, I would be making it known to all of the west that all the advanced chip plants they have are rigged to blow, and if China comes in and they don't get help they are taking 92% of the worlds advanced microchips with them.

That's always been a very serious consideration for the West, but I wonder if the CCP might be blinded to that fact by their pride and their longstanding desire to gain control over Taiwan.
In the past, the only real impediment to them taking Taiwan has been the USA.  We are no longer a threat to them in that regard with China Joe in their pocket.  Now might be the time for them to make their move and pull the Taiwan thorn from their side.
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Re: China will assume control of Taiwan
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2021, 10:00:10 AM »

If and when China acquires Taiwan, however it does, it will be to pillage and plunder, thereby dragging all the Taiwanese down to the level of the mainland Chinese. Then China will turn its attention to some other source of "largess" to pillage and plunder in order to support themselves since communism cannot. That's how I see it. I've seen too much history to support any other foreseeable future.

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Re: China will assume control of Taiwan
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2021, 10:14:26 AM »

We need one of those thumbs up emojis.

Indeed, brilliant idea
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Re: China will assume control of Taiwan
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2021, 10:49:22 AM »

I think an argument against the 'peaceful reunification' of Taiwan with the PRC is the experience of Hong Kong.  The PRC made lots of promises back in 1997, but look how the PRC has been tightening the screws on Hong Kong in recent years.  I bet Taipei thinks about this.
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Re: China will assume control of Taiwan
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2021, 10:56:29 AM »

Give Taiwan back to Japan. Let them sort it out with China.
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Re: China will assume control of Taiwan
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2021, 11:23:41 AM »

I think an argument against the 'peaceful reunification' of Taiwan with the PRC is the experience of Hong Kong.  The PRC made lots of promises back in 1997, but look how the PRC has been tightening the screws on Hong Kong in recent years.  I bet Taipei thinks about this.

I guess by peaceful I meant not military action to take by force.

You are correct, there are many means of applying force other than military action.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2021, 01:22:19 PM by Ron »
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Re: China will assume control of Taiwan
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2021, 01:31:57 AM »

We need one of those thumbs up emojis.

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Re: China will assume control of Taiwan
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2021, 10:24:33 AM »

I have heard there is a pro-China faction in Taiwan, but Taiwan has been dedicated to staying independent for quite some time.  Unless there are some major changes there, I can't see them just rolling over just because we look weak. 

How much does Japan trade with Taiwan?

What I might see is some sort of trade relationship with China, but I thought they already had that to some extent.
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Re: China will assume control of Taiwan
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2021, 09:33:57 PM »

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And lastly, if I were Taiwan, I would be making it known to all of the west that all the advanced chip plants they have are rigged to blow, and if China comes in and they don't get help they are taking 92% of the worlds advanced microchips with them.



This.

I'm from the Dan Carlin school of geopolitics on this one.  Hand Taipei a few nukes and wish them the best of luck.  The Izzy, Pakis and Indians all have the goods,  Taiwan should join the club.  Least the Chicoms would get hurt if they forced the issue.
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Re: China will assume control of Taiwan
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2021, 01:39:56 AM »

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Re: China will assume control of Taiwan
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2021, 12:55:52 PM »



Looks like I'm not he only one who was thinking along those lines
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Re: China will assume control of Taiwan
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2021, 05:45:25 PM »

Trump should have put some B61's in a weapon vault on Taiwan.  A nuclear trip wire is about the only real way to keep expansionists at bay.

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Re: China will assume control of Taiwan
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2021, 07:36:12 PM »

In submarines, in my opinion... presumably that could survive a surprise attack.  I hope the leadership of the ROC realizes that they must protect themselves, and not count on the USA.

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Re: China will assume control of Taiwan
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2021, 08:12:39 PM »

Taiwan rejects China’s ‘path’ amid show of military force
https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-lifestyle-taiwan-taipei-music-03340a5f14db94c49b5a2a349a2ee3b4

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Speaking at the island’s National Day celebrations, a rare show of Taiwanese defense capabilities in the annual parade underlined Tsai Ing-wen’s promise to resist Chinese military threats.

“We will do our utmost to prevent the status quo from being unilaterally altered,” President Tsai said.

“We will continue to bolster our national defense and demonstrate our determination to defend ourselves in order to ensure that nobody can force Taiwan to take the path China has laid out for us,” the Taiwanese leader added.

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“The path that China has laid out offers neither a free and democratic way of life for Taiwan, nor sovereignty for our 23 million people,” Tsai said.
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