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Top 10 States for Gun Owners - 2021 Edition
« on: October 14, 2021, 02:36:45 PM »

Opinions may vary but a pretty good analysis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr7MUmkgzyU&t=3s
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Re: Top 10 States for Gun Owners - 2021 Edition
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2021, 02:59:25 PM »

Sounds good to me.  =)
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Re: Top 10 States for Gun Owners - 2021 Edition
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2021, 05:46:49 PM »

Nice find Larry.  Thanks.
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Re: Top 10 States for Gun Owners - 2021 Edition
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2021, 09:49:31 PM »

NH for the win!
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Re: Top 10 States for Gun Owners - 2021 Edition
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2021, 12:02:14 PM »

I'm surprised SD didn't make the list.
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Re: Top 10 States for Gun Owners - 2021 Edition
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2021, 12:48:39 PM »

From 10 to 1 his list is:

Texas
Arizona
Tennessee
Oklahoma
Wyoming
Montana
Missouri
Utah
Idaho
New Hampshire

if you don't want to watch the video.

His list seems arbitrary.  Has nothing to do with age of Constitutional Carry legislation.  Doesn't seem to correlate to cost of living or FFL availability for ranking these 10.  There's no explanation why, for instance, Arizona is better than Texas.
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Re: Top 10 States for Gun Owners - 2021 Edition
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2021, 09:15:31 PM »

They mentioned Texas has long been overrated as a pro-gun state which is fair.

I’m not sure I put much stock into that list either, though.

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Re: Top 10 States for Gun Owners - 2021 Edition
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2021, 10:20:48 PM »

'Twas once upon a time all one had to do is get the Brady list of their worst gun-owning States and pick their top ten worst for our list of the ten best states for gun owners.

That method always struck me as having inherent validity, it dood.

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Re: Top 10 States for Gun Owners - 2021 Edition
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2021, 10:43:06 PM »

I miss the Washington state of 1975.  We had shall issue years before the carry rights movement even took off. 
But the leftists moved in, and the tech sector billionaires made their million (s) dollar contributions, and funded the initiatives and that was that.  The last couple of initiatives that really gutted gun rights here were backed by about six or seven dotcom billionaires who outspent the entire states grass roots opposition by a huge margin.
 The initiative process was supposedly designed to get laws passed when the legislature was unresponsive to the will of the people. And it would normally take a lot of people  contributing to effect a change. Now it is a overwhelmingly well funded tool of the ultra rich and special interest groups.
 

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Re: Top 10 States for Gun Owners - 2021 Edition
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2021, 10:48:43 PM »

They mentioned Texas has long been overrated as a pro-gun state which is fair.

I’m not sure I put much stock into that list either, though.
I always wonder if people outside Texas have an overinflated view of what Texas is in reality.  It doesn't matter.  If 10 or more states rank better that is because a bunch of states have good gun laws which would be great for the country. 

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Re: Top 10 States for Gun Owners - 2021 Edition
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2021, 11:45:48 PM »

I miss the Washington state of 1975.  We had shall issue years before the carry rights movement even took off. 
But the leftists moved in, and the tech sector billionaires made their million (s) dollar contributions, and funded the initiatives and that was that.  The last couple of initiatives that really gutted gun rights here were backed by about six or seven dotcom billionaires who outspent the entire states grass roots opposition by a huge margin.
 The initiative process was supposedly designed to get laws passed when the legislature was unresponsive to the will of the people. And it would normally take a lot of people  contributing to effect a change. Now it is a overwhelmingly well funded tool of the ultra rich and special interest groups.
 

Quoted for truth, witness COmmierado.

More than a decade ago I heard from one of my grapevines that Colorado was the next target for the Leftist Heavy Money Juggernaut, and after that, Wyoming.

I poo-pooed that, figuring Coloradans were too smart for that.  So now we have a Leftist Legislature, Leftist Governor, and most of the small elected positions are filled by "members of that other party."  I also noticed that party affiliations were no longer included in the political ads for some reason.

Well, I was wrong and here we are, and I expect that Wyoming is next on the list, and G-d or St. John M. help you all.

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Re: Top 10 States for Gun Owners - 2021 Edition
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2021, 12:24:32 AM »

Misery is high in the list but most of us do FTF. It might be higher.
Sometimes we carry more weight then we owe.
And sometimes goes on and on and on.

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Re: Top 10 States for Gun Owners - 2021 Edition
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2021, 08:43:09 AM »

Regarding AZ's post, I did a quick search. These are mostly for 2020-2021. I kinda took whatever came up first in the search. Some are gun sites, some are not. I was too lazy to format.

Not real research, but as a quick and dirty, I suppose you can look at the states that consistently come up somewhere in each list.

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https://www.az-defenders.com/best-states-for-gun-owners/

1   Alaska   None   None   Yes   Constitutional
carry   Stand Your
Ground   None   None
2   Arizona   None   None   Yes   Constitutional
carry   Stand Your
Ground   None   None
3   Wyoming   None   None   Yes   Consitutional
carry
(residents only)   Stand Your
Ground   None   None
4   Montana   None   None   Yes   Shall issue
(residents only)*   Stand Your
Ground   None   None
5   Idaho   None   None   Yes, but
no “body of men”
except under
specific circ.   Shall issue   Stand Your
Ground   None   None
6   Oklahoma   None   None   Yes   Constitutional
carry   Stand Your
Ground   None   None
7   Kentucky   None   None   Yes   Constitutional
carry   Stand Your
Ground   None   None
8   Kansas   None   None   Yes   Constitutional
carry   Stand Your
Ground   None   None
9   Missouri   None   None   Yes   Constitutional
carry   Stand Your
Ground   None   None
10   Texas   None
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https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/best-states-for-gun-owners/369075

10. Texas
No relevant outcomes in 2020. (2019 rank: 10)

9. Montana
No relevant outcomes in 2020. (2019 rank: 9)

8. Utah
No relevant outcomes in 2020. (2019 rank: 7)

7. Wyoming
No relevant outcomes in 2020. (2019 rank: 8)

6. Kentucky
No relevant outcomes in 2020. (2019 rank: 6)

5. Oklahoma
No relevant outcomes in 2020. (2019 rank: 5)

4. Kansas
An emergency powers bill designed to protect gun owners was passed during a Special Legislative Session, but the measure was vetoed by Gov. Kelly. Nonetheless, firearms-related businesses were exempt from the Governor’s COVID-19 shutdown order. (2019 rank: 4)

3. Alaska
No relevant outcomes in 2020. (2019 rank: 3)

2. Idaho
The big news for gun owners in Idaho this year was Governor Brad Little’s signature on a permitless carry bill in March. Permitless carry was already legal for Idaho residents, but this legislation extends the law to cover all U.S. Citizens over the age of 18 to carry, including in the cities. With this slight change in law, Idaho ties the number one state in terms of points. (2019 rank: 2)

1. Arizona
No relevant outcomes in 2020. Arizona remains number one on our list due to its thriving competitive shooting scene and firearms industry presence. (2019 rank: 1)

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https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/best-states-for-gun-owners

State
2021 Pop.
Alaska   724,357
Arizona   7,520,103
Idaho   1,860,123
Kansas   2,917,224
Mississippi   2,966,407
Missouri   6,169,038
New Hampshire   1,372,203
Vermont   623,251
West Virginia   1,767,859
Wyoming   581,075

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https://www.guns.com/news/2021/04/01/the-top-10-most-gun-friendly-states

10. TEXAS
 
texas is a gun friendly state
Texas has always been known as a gun-friendly state. (Photo: The White House)
Percentage of Residents Who Are Gun Owners: 35.7
Constitutional Carry:  No, but Texas is a “shall issue” state, and bills are pending.
Castle Doctrine: Stand Your Ground / No Duty to Retreat
Magazine Capacity: No limit set by state
Waiting Period: No
Universal Background Check: No
Open Carry Permitted: Yes
Public Hunting Land (in acres): 1,591,000
Percent of State Available to Hunt: 1
Percent of Residents With Paid Hunting Licenses: 3.9
 

9. MISSOURI
 
gun friendly state missouri
The "Show-Me State" has always been gun friendly. (Photo: Gary Todd/Public Domain)
Percentage of Residents Who Are Gun Owners: 27.1
Constitutional Carry:  Yes
Castle Doctrine: Stand Your Ground / No Duty to Retreat
Magazine Capacity: No limit set by state
Waiting Period: No
Universal Background Check: No
Open Carry Permitted: Yes
Public Hunting Land (in acres): 2,525,000
Percent of State Available to Hunt: 5.7
Percent of Residents With Paid Hunting Licenses: 7.9
 

8. KANSAS
 
kansas is a gun friendly state
Kansas is underrated as a beautiful state that doubles as a gun lover's paradise. (Photo: Patrick Alexander/Public Domain)
Percentage of Residents Who Are Gun Owners: 32.2
Constitutional Carry:  Yes
Castle Doctrine: Stand Your Ground / No Duty to Retreat
Magazine Capacity: No limit set by state
Waiting Period: No
Universal Background Check: No
Open Carry Permitted: Yes
Public Hunting Land (in acres): 420,000
Percent of State Available to Hunt: 0.8
Percent of Residents With Paid Hunting Licenses: 8.5
 

7. KENTUCKY
 
kentucky is a gun friendly state
It's no wonder the birthplace of Lincoln also is gun friendly. (Photo: U.S. State Dept.)
Percentage of Residents Who Are Gun Owners: 42.4
Constitutional Carry:  Yes
Castle Doctrine: Stand Your Ground / No Duty to Retreat
Magazine Capacity: No limit set by state
Waiting Period: No
Universal Background Check: No
Open Carry Permitted: Yes
Public Hunting Land (in acres): 804,000
Percent of State Available to Hunt: 3.2
Percent of Residents With Paid Hunting Licenses: 7.5
 
6. OKLAHOMA
 
oklahoma gun friendly
The Sooner State has been gun-friendly for a long time. (Photo: USDA)
Percentage of Residents Who Are Gun Owners: 31.2
Constitutional Carry:  Yes
Castle Doctrine: Stand Your Ground / No Duty to Retreat
Magazine Capacity: No limit set by state
Waiting Period: No
Universal Background Check: No
Open Carry Permitted: Yes
Public Hunting Land (in acres): 932,000
Percent of State Available to Hunt: 2.1
Percent of Residents With Paid Hunting Licenses: 14.2

5. ARIZONA
 
gun friendly arizona
Arizona is as beautiful as it is gun friendly. (Photo: Bernard Spragg/Public Domain)
Percentage of Residents Who Are Gun Owners: 32.3
Constitutional Carry: Yes
Castle Doctrine: Stand Your Ground / No Duty to Retreat
Magazine Capacity: No limit set by state
Waiting Period: No
Universal Background Check: No
Open Carry Permitted: Yes
Public Hunting Land (in acres): 32,539,000
Percent of State Available to Hunt: 44.8
Percent of Residents With Paid Hunting Licenses: 4.2

4. IDAHO
 
idaho is gun friendly
Idaho is known for its beauty and being gun friendly. (Photo: U.S. Forest Service)
Percentage of Residents Who Are Gun Owners: 56.9
Constitutional Carry:  Yes
Castle Doctrine: Stand Your Ground / No Duty to Retreat
Magazine Capacity: No limit set by state
Waiting Period: No
Universal Background Check: No
Open Carry Permitted: Yes
Public Hunting Land (in acres): 34,807,000
Percent of State Available to Hunt: 65.8
Percent of Residents With Paid Hunting Licenses: 16.5
 

3. MONTANA
 
montana is gun friendly
Montana has always been known as rugged and independent, so gun ownership fits right in. (Photo: U.S. Geological Survey)
Percentage of Residents Who Are Gun Owners: 52.3
Constitutional Carry:  Yes
Castle Doctrine: Stand Your Ground / No Duty to Retreat
Magazine Capacity: No limit set by state
Waiting Period: No
Universal Background Check: No
Open Carry Permitted: Yes
Public Hunting Land (in acres): 30,065,000
Percent of State Available to Hunt: 32.3
Percent of Residents With Paid Hunting Licenses: 21.1
 

2. WYOMING
 
wyoming is gun friendly
Wyoming is known for its natural beauty and its gun-friendly nature. (Photo: U.S. Forest Service)
Percentage of Residents Who Are Gun Owners: 53.8
Constitutional Carry: Yes
Castle Doctrine: Stand Your Ground / No Duty to Retreat
Magazine Capacity: No limit set by state
Waiting Period: No
Universal Background Check: No
Open Carry Permitted: Yes
Public Hunting Land (in acres): 31,403,000
Percent of State Available to Hunt: 50.5
Percent of Residents With Paid Hunting Licenses: 22.7
 
1. ALASKA
 
alaska is a gun friendly state
Alaska is known as "the last frontier" to many, so it seems natural that it's a gun-friendly state. (Photo: U.S. Geological Survey)
Percentage of Residents Who Are Gun Owners: 61.7
Constitutional Carry:  Yes
Castle Doctrine: Stand Your Ground / No Duty to Retreat
Magazine Capacity: No limit set by state
Waiting Period: No
Universal Background Check: No
Open Carry Permitted: Yes
Public Hunting Land (in acres): 271,174,999
Percent of State Available to Hunt: 74.3
Percent of Residents With Paid Hunting Licenses: 12.3

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https://www.zippia.com/advice/least-gun-friendly-states/

Arizona
Idaho
Texas
Arkansas
New Hampshire
Georgia
Alabama
Mississippi
Missouri
South Carolina

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https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/what-are-the-most-gun-friendly-states-for-gun-owners/

Alaska (permitless carry if at least 18 years old)
Arizona (permitless carry if at least 21 years old)
Arkansas (permitless carry if at least 18 years old)
Idaho (permitless carry if at least 18 years old)
Mississippi (permitless carry if at least 18 years old)
New Hampshire (permitless carry if at least 18 years old)
South Dakota (permitless carry if at least 18 years old)
Utah (permitless carry if at least 21 years old)
West Virginia (permitless carry if at least 21 years old)
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Re: Top 10 States for Gun Owners - 2021 Edition
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2021, 01:57:10 AM »

Now cross reference with states that have the strictest restrictions on asset forfeiture.
Or to put it another way, those that still believe we have a 4th amendment.
Damned small overlap.

https://ij.org/wp-content/themes/ijorg/images/pfp3/policing-for-profit-3-web.pdf

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Re: Top 10 States for Gun Owners - 2021 Edition
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2021, 09:03:49 AM »

Now cross reference with states that have the strictest restrictions on asset forfeiture.
Or to put it another way, those that still believe we have a 4th amendment.
Damned small overlap.

https://ij.org/wp-content/themes/ijorg/images/pfp3/policing-for-profit-3-web.pdf
That is definitely something Texas needs to clean up.  I don't think it is a big thing in most places, but I have seen stories where some cities/counties are notorious for doing it.
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Re: Top 10 States for Gun Owners - 2021 Edition
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2021, 09:29:16 AM »

Now cross reference with states that have the strictest restrictions on asset forfeiture.
Or to put it another way, those that still believe we have a 4th amendment.
Damned small overlap.

https://ij.org/wp-content/themes/ijorg/images/pfp3/policing-for-profit-3-web.pdf

I only skimmed that, but it's kinda sad that it appears for the most part, that the best gun states are the worst asset forfeiture states. Further annoyance is that DC of all places has a high rating.
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Re: Top 10 States for Gun Owners - 2021 Edition
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2021, 09:33:37 AM »

I think that's because Republicans (who make less bad gun policy) tend to be Law and Order types who assume that by supporting more funding for police departments they are supporting good policing.

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Re: Top 10 States for Gun Owners - 2021 Edition
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2021, 05:22:55 PM »

As bad as asset forfeiture is, does it actually affect that many people's lives, that you would choose your state on that basis?
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Re: Top 10 States for Gun Owners - 2021 Edition
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2021, 02:05:39 AM »

As bad as asset forfeiture is, does it actually affect that many people's lives, that you would choose your state on that basis?

 Single issue? No. As a consideration? Yes. Like the tax status.    A little story.

 Some years ago, I went to look at a dirt bike for sale, in a rural area. There was a pole barn and a doublewide there, and an old guy, WW2 and Korea vet, one of those who went from ground-pounder to pilot. He flew F84's and then in the sixties ended up as a squadron commander in F106's. So he starts talking and I find out his son had been growing pot on a corner of his old, very nice, previously owned property. They took his entire property, and left him with little. He hated the US government, the same government he had spent his entire like in service to. That is one of the aspects the report I posted talked about- third party confiscation- to the point, in some cases, your car could be stolen, used in a crime, and confiscated, because the car was the criminal.
 One of the very few actions Eric Holder did as AG that I approved of , was to try to reduce this forfeiture BS, probably because a lot of poor blacks were getting ripped off by it. In most cases it is theft under color of law. The minimum standard should be this- if a person is not found guilty in a criminal trial, their assets should not be forfeit. In most cases, charges are never even brought, and in most states, the money, or much of it, goes directly to the law enforcement that took it.
 It is like letting the cops have half of every ticket they hand out. I think the states should be hit with RICO  charges, myself.