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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #375 on: December 10, 2021, 11:43:44 AM »

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Did Alec Baldwin pull the trigger?
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #376 on: December 10, 2021, 12:20:00 PM »

I have a SAA that is hidden right beside my recliner.

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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #377 on: December 10, 2021, 12:37:25 PM »


I have a blackpowder Pietta that I'm gonna break out later to experiment with. I'm actually not sure what safety features their BP revolvers have.

An 1853 or 1860 Colt clone? The action is exactly the same as the 1873 SAA.

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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #378 on: December 10, 2021, 01:42:05 PM »

An 1853 or 1860 Colt clone? The action is exactly the same as the 1873 SAA.

1851 Navy .44
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #379 on: December 10, 2021, 03:17:52 PM »

1851 Navy .44

Ah, yes. I have one of those, too. A beautifully executed reproduction of a firearm that never existed.

The trigger pull on mine is around 2 pounds (maybe a bit less -- I haven't put a scale on it), with total travel less than 3/16ths of an inch.

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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #380 on: December 10, 2021, 03:47:42 PM »

Ah, yes. I have one of those, too. A beautifully executed reproduction of a firearm that never existed.

The trigger pull on mine is around 2 pounds (maybe a bit less -- I haven't put a scale on it), with total travel less than 3/16ths of an inch.

A Navy would have been a .36, right?
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #381 on: December 10, 2021, 03:51:26 PM »

A Navy would have been a .36, right?

Navy .36
Army .44
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #382 on: December 10, 2021, 03:54:21 PM »

I'm tempted to grab one, and then mill the cylinder for a light .38 or .44 load (depending). I'd probably make my own reduced capacity brass...
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #383 on: December 10, 2021, 04:35:17 PM »

I'm tempted to grab one, and then mill the cylinder for a light .38 or .44 load (depending). I'd probably make my own reduced capacity brass...

You shouldn't need to mill the cylinder. You can often buy conversion cylinders. For example.

https://taylorsfirearms.com/pietta-1851-1861-navy-36-revolver-conversion-cylinder.html

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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #384 on: December 10, 2021, 04:37:39 PM »

You shouldn't need to mill the cylinder. You can often buy conversion cylinders. For example.

https://taylorsfirearms.com/pietta-1851-1861-navy-36-revolver-conversion-cylinder.html

I think he *wants* to mill it himself. =)
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #385 on: December 10, 2021, 06:25:32 PM »

Navy .36
Army .44

1851 Navy is available as either .36 or .44.

That may not be the correct nomenclature, but they are advertised everywhere as 1851 Navy and sold in .44
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #386 on: December 10, 2021, 06:30:46 PM »

Why it wasn't all that uncommon for people to carry older revolvers with the hammer down on an empty cylinder.

Like the folks who are sketched out by a cocked gun would carry their 1911 in condition 3.
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #387 on: December 10, 2021, 06:46:22 PM »

Like the folks who are sketched out by a cocked gun would carry their 1911 in condition 3.

Which makes me wonder. Did anyone make a 1911 with a decocker? Hmmmm May do some searching in a bit.
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #388 on: December 10, 2021, 06:54:59 PM »

1851 Navy is available as either .36 or .44.

That may not be the correct nomenclature, but they are advertised everywhere as 1851 Navy and sold in .44

Understood. But back in the 19th century, Colt did not sell a version of the 1851 Navy in .44 caliber -- it was .36 caliber only. The 1860 Army was in .44 caliber.

Both Uberti and Pietta make"replicas" of the 1851 in .44 caliber but, as I wrote above, it's a very nice reproduction of a firearm that never existed in history.

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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #389 on: December 10, 2021, 06:56:52 PM »

Which makes me wonder. Did anyone make a 1911 with a decocker? Hmmmm May do some searching in a bit.

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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #390 on: December 10, 2021, 06:57:41 PM »

Which makes me wonder. Did anyone make a 1911 with a decocker? Hmmmm May do some searching in a bit.
Para-ordinance maybe? I used to shoot with a guy and I think his Para was double action.
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #391 on: December 10, 2021, 07:07:33 PM »

Was curious about the Para and looked them up.

DAO, no decocker.
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #392 on: December 10, 2021, 07:08:17 PM »

Understood. But back in the 19th century, Colt did not sell a version of the 1851 Navy in .44 caliber -- it was .36 caliber only. The 1860 Army was in .44 caliber.

Both Uberti and Pietta make"replicas" of the 1851 in .44 caliber but, as I wrote above, it's a very nice reproduction of a firearm that never existed in history.

Got it.

If they didn't sell them in .44, I probably would have gotten one of the Army revolvers. The .36 is too little for me.  :laugh:
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #393 on: December 10, 2021, 07:46:08 PM »

.36 worked just fine if you aimed...
 
I think it was Hickock who carried one?
 
And in those days, it was VERY common to carry more than two sidearms... Anyone know what the bore diameter is on the .44 versions? I'm thinking that a light special load could be interesting, especially if I do a short cavity on the brass. I've also been wanting to make some reduced capacity .45 brass.
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #394 on: December 10, 2021, 07:51:58 PM »

Study Finds Massive Spike In People Getting Shot By Alec Baldwin Under Biden Administration
https://babylonbee.com/news/study-finds-massive-spike-in-people-getting-shot-by-alec-baldwin-under-biden-administration

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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #395 on: December 10, 2021, 09:09:30 PM »

.36 worked just fine if you aimed...
 
I think it was Hickock who carried one?
 
And in those days, it was VERY common to carry more than two sidearms... Anyone know what the bore diameter is on the .44 versions? I'm thinking that a light special load could be interesting, especially if I do a short cavity on the brass. I've also been wanting to make some reduced capacity .45 brass.

You need to go to .45 Colt.
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #396 on: December 10, 2021, 10:06:27 PM »


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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #397 on: December 10, 2021, 10:48:47 PM »

Got it.

If they didn't sell them in .44, I probably would have gotten one of the Army revolvers. The .36 is too little for me.  :laugh:

There's a worse problem. It happens that the bore and groove size for .44 black powder are conveniently exactly the same as for .45 Colt and .45 ACP. That's not the case for .36 caliber black powder. The .36 caliber has a groove diameter of .375" -- typical .38 Special bullets are .357". People who buy the conversion cylinders for the .36 caliber Colt Navy pistols then go looking for special bullets that can be made to (more or less) obturate sufficiently to run through the barrel without excessive leading or loss of velocity.

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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #398 on: December 10, 2021, 10:51:23 PM »

You need to go to .45 Colt.

I don't think the conversion cylinders for the .44 Navy "clones" are long enough to handle .45 Colt. I shot .45 Schofield in mine, until I got some .45 Cowboy Special brass from Starline.

I didn't shoot the gun enough to make it worth keeping around, but I think I still have a few pieces of the Starline brass in the basement somewhere.

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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #399 on: December 10, 2021, 10:53:09 PM »

There's a worse problem. It happens that the bore and groove size for .44 black powder are conveniently exactly the same as for .45 Colt and .45 ACP. That's not the case for .36 caliber black powder. The .36 caliber has a groove diameter of .375" -- typical .38 Special bullets are .357". People who buy the conversion cylinders for the .36 caliber Colt Navy pistols then go looking for special bullets that can be made to (more or less) obturate sufficiently to run through the barrel without excessive leading or loss of velocity.

.38 S&W might work.  I can't remember for sure what size it is, but I think it's .365".  Or use swaged hollow-base wadcutters in whatever .38 cartridge you want.
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