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« on: November 21, 2021, 03:56:10 AM »

It is not a scientific fact unless independent variable A is accompanied by dependent variable B in the absence of variables C through Z 100 per cent of the time.  Observational error is included among variables C through Z.  Additional variables AA through AZ are imponderables until observational or theoretical considerations bring them to light.

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Re: Science
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2021, 08:17:04 AM »

You need to factor in political science since it's become the primary factor in science overall.
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Re: Science
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2021, 08:57:17 AM »

You also need to factor in getting a grant.
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Re: Science
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2021, 09:11:46 AM »

You also need to factor in getting a grant.

And what the current herd consensus is.
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Re: Science
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2021, 09:41:44 AM »

I've been reading some scientific history/philosophy recently.  Some of the Karl Popper is pretty interesting - the idea of falsifiability came later in history than I thought.

"Logically, no number of positive outcomes at the level of experimental testing can confirm a scientific theory, but a single counterexample is logically decisive; it shows the theory, from which the implication is derived, to be false. To say that a given statement (e.g., the statement of a law of some scientific theory)—call it "T"—is "falsifiable" does not mean that "T" is false. Rather, it means that, if "T" is false, then (in principle), "T" could be shown to be false, by observation or by experiment. Popper's account of the logical asymmetry between verification and falsifiability lies at the heart of his philosophy of science. It also inspired him to take falsifiability as his criterion of demarcation between what is, and is not, genuinely scientific: a theory should be considered scientific if, and only if, it is falsifiable. This led him to attack the claims of both psychoanalysis and contemporary Marxism to scientific status, on the basis that their theories are not falsifiable."

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Re: Science
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2021, 11:41:28 AM »

It is not a scientific fact unless independent variable A is accompanied by dependent variable B in the absence of variables C through Z 100 per cent of the time.  Observational error is included among variables C through Z.  Additional variables AA through AZ are imponderables until observational or theoretical considerations bring them to light.

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Don't forget to consider that on the other hand there is a glove!  :old:

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Re: Science
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2021, 08:53:20 PM »

Don't forget to consider that on the other hand there is a glove!  :old:

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Ah, yes, the isoglove.

If identically treated as with the variable A in my OP, will it yield result B or result isoB?

What's your theory?
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Re: Science
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2021, 09:43:43 PM »

Ah, yes, the isoglove.

If identically treated as with the variable A in my OP, will it yield result B or result isoB?

What's your theory?

It will depend on whether the standard is acceptably applied and if the lens setting correlates as well. I think you could get either B or isoB depending upon the application of any variable C through Z. Variables AA through AZ notwithstanding.

Keep a clear mind and it wont be problematic.

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Re: Science
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2021, 09:53:37 PM »

I've been reading some scientific history/philosophy recently.  Some of the Karl Popper is pretty interesting - the idea of falsifiability came later in history than I thought.

"Logically, no number of positive outcomes at the level of experimental testing can confirm a scientific theory, but a single counterexample is logically decisive; it shows the theory, from which the implication is derived, to be false. To say that a given statement (e.g., the statement of a law of some scientific theory)—call it "T"—is "falsifiable" does not mean that "T" is false. Rather, it means that, if "T" is false, then (in principle), "T" could be shown to be false, by observation or by experiment. Popper's account of the logical asymmetry between verification and falsifiability lies at the heart of his philosophy of science. It also inspired him to take falsifiability as his criterion of demarcation between what is, and is not, genuinely scientific: a theory should be considered scientific if, and only if, it is falsifiable. This led him to attack the claims of both psychoanalysis and contemporary Marxism to scientific status, on the basis that their theories are not falsifiable."

I read this book a few years ago and recommended it

Philosophy and the Real World: An Introduction to Karl Popper
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0875484360/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Re: Science
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2021, 11:05:44 PM »

You also need to factor in getting a grant.

I just found out that they now have grants that are for the express purpose of getting a bigger grant.  Not sure why, but it did surprise me that they'll give you money to ask for more money.
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Re: Science
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2021, 11:20:00 PM »

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Grantwriting is an art and a profession and the practitioners thereof deserve high compensation for their button-pushing and word-tailoring skills.

Many of them have traveled to Ireland to kiss the Blarney Stone and may advance to high level campaign speech writing on their return.

You heard it here first.

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The ritual of kissing the Blarney Stone, according to the castle's proprietors, has been performed by "millions of people", including "world statesmen, literary giants [and] legends of the silver screen"

And grant writers.
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Re: Science
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2021, 01:10:21 AM »

“Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. When someone says ‘science teaches such and such’, he is using the word incorrectly."-- Richard Feynman
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Re: Science
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2021, 09:36:34 AM »

“Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. When someone says ‘science teaches such and such’, he is using the word incorrectly."-- Richard Feynman

That isn't a bad quote.  Science is often used to describe anything that requires a bit of thought and analysis. 

My biggest complaint with stuff lately is people don't look at or document the assumptions in the data or in how they are trying to apply the data.  Of course, then you get all sorts of logical leaps such as in global warming stuff.
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Re: Science
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2021, 09:42:43 AM »

That isn't a bad quote.  Science is often used to describe anything that requires a bit of thought and analysis. 

My biggest complaint with stuff lately is people don't look at or document the assumptions in the data or in how they are trying to apply the data.  Of course, then you get all sorts of logical leaps such as in global warming stuff.

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