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Transgender athletics
« on: December 09, 2021, 11:06:21 PM »

Reductio ad absurbum

https://www.outkick.com/outkick-exclusive-penn-trans-swimmers-teammate-speaks-out-as-lia-thomas-smashes-more-records/

Guy competes for three years as a male swimmer, then decides it's a female so it switches -- and leaves the best genuine female swimmers in its wake. Okay, I'm a dinosaur -- it's not fair.

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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2021, 11:23:12 PM »

Just goes to show that men are better than women at everything, including being women.
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But yeah, absolute BS.
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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2021, 05:59:31 PM »

Is defenestration possible through the overton window?

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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2021, 06:47:32 PM »

If you don't approve of them competing, then you are a science denier. Because "science" has changed lately.
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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2021, 10:56:12 PM »

If you don't approve of them competing, then you are a science denier. Because "science" has changed lately.

Yeah, well I still prefer older editions of dictionaries and The Chicago manual of Style, too.

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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2021, 10:36:53 AM »

If you want to know who has power over you ask who you are not allowed to criticize. The trans thing is heading towards a hysteria like coronavirus did. I know of a whole bunch of people that have kids that are coming out as trans. Want to be a girl? No questions asked estrogen for an 18 year old. My daughter has several people in her eighth grade class who are switching around and talking about their pronouns. This stuff is way above any accepted measure of gender dysphoria in a population. People are doing it because they are confused like all young people, this seems like the cool way out, or the way for everyone to like them since criticism is not allowed. Control of language and culture. We can say the other girls shouldn't swim but this is what they worked their whole lives for. This is paying for their college. They can't boycott and they can't speak up.
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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2021, 11:49:05 AM »

Yeah, well I still prefer older editions of dictionaries and The Chicago manual of Style, too.

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Ditto on older dictionaries, except for new, tech-derived words like "laser."

Example: During the Clinton administration, Bill Clinton was referred to as a "communitarian."

I looked it up - my 1954 Webster's New World English Dictionary of the American Language (College Edition) defined it as "A member of advocate of a communistic community."  Pretty definitive.

Today's Merriam-Webster online dictionary defines it as "of or relating to social organization in small cooperative partially collectivist communities" which is a rather softer take on the word.

(The definition of "gay" has changed even more.)
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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2021, 11:52:17 AM »

Acceptance = Grooming
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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2021, 06:43:31 PM »

Acceptance = Grooming

Yes.  Supposedly well north of 30% of the younger generation have declared themselves homosexual, bisexual or transgendered.

This is vastly abnormal.
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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2021, 07:17:08 PM »

Acceptance = Grooming

America has most certainly been groomed on a lot of subjects. Look at all the white folk cheering for BLM, CRT, etc.
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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2021, 08:40:11 PM »

It is the cool thing to do. It is just another costume, like the 40-something guy who goes out and buys a Harley and more leather than Halford ever dreamed of...
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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2021, 10:45:25 AM »

Notice how it’s nearly always the people who aren’t getting the attention they want, or who need to protect themselves from their own poor choices (eg about to get fired, fail out, etc) that “transition”.

That swimmer was a middling male athlete in a middling athletic conference.  Even with the reduction in performance due to the “transition” it’s still destroying the actual women athletes.  It’s times even now would be somewhat competitive with Olympic women like Katie Ledecky. 

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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2021, 11:49:40 AM »

If you want to know who has power over you ask who you are not allowed to criticize. The trans thing is heading towards a hysteria like coronavirus did. I know of a whole bunch of people that have kids that are coming out as trans. Want to be a girl? No questions asked estrogen for an 18 year old. My daughter has several people in her eighth grade class who are switching around and talking about their pronouns. This stuff is way above any accepted measure of gender dysphoria in a population. People are doing it because they are confused like all young people, this seems like the cool way out, or the way for everyone to like them since criticism is not allowed. Control of language and culture. We can say the other girls shouldn't swim but this is what they worked their whole lives for. This is paying for their college. They can't boycott and they can't speak up.
I hope most of them are able to grow out of it and become well adjusted adults.  I am afraid a bunch of them are going to take hormone treatments among other things and mess up their lives even more.  I hate to see what sort of adults will be running around in 10 or 15 years. 

I am also glad this stuff wasn't around when I was an impressionable youth.  I think I agree with the other comment that many of them are confused and lacking attention or something. 
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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2021, 11:55:11 AM »

The other female athletes are just upset they can't write their name in the snow
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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2021, 12:33:02 PM »

Notice how it’s nearly always the people who aren’t getting the attention they want, or who need to protect themselves from their own poor choices (eg about to get fired, fail out, etc) that “transition”.

That swimmer was a middling male athlete in a middling athletic conference.  Even with the reduction in performance due to the “transition” it’s still destroying the actual women athletes.  It’s times even now would be somewhat competitive with Olympic women like Katie Ledecky.
A few months ago there was a discussion on TV about this and someone pointed out that several hundred high school males have beaten some women's world records in track & field.

Letting males with gender dysphoria or some other psychological illness pretend to be female and compete as such is a great way to destroy competitive female sports. (Except for some of the shooting sports - it seems that women have done very well in some of them.)
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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2021, 01:03:52 PM »


Letting males with gender dysphoria or some other psychological illness pretend to be female and compete as such is a great way to destroy competitive female sports.

They'll blame it on patriarchy. I'm not kidding, wish I was.
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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2022, 02:51:21 PM »

You going to believe the narrative or your lying eyes?
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NBC News reports some say there’s ‘little scientific evidence’ biological males have an advantage in women’s sports
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/01/08/nbc-news-reports-some-say-theres-little-scientific-evidence-biological-males-have-an-advantage-in-womens-sports/

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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2022, 04:50:14 PM »

You going to believe the narrative or your lying eyes?https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1479808356004995075?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

NBC News reports some say there’s ‘little scientific evidence’ biological males have an advantage in women’s sports
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/01/08/nbc-news-reports-some-say-theres-little-scientific-evidence-biological-males-have-an-advantage-in-womens-sports/

Narrative? [Blink]

What narrative? [Blink - blink]

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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2022, 05:14:28 PM »

If you want to know who has power over you ask who you are not allowed to criticize. The trans thing is heading towards a hysteria like coronavirus did. I know of a whole bunch of people that have kids that are coming out as trans. Want to be a girl? No questions asked estrogen for an 18 year old. My daughter has several people in her eighth grade class who are switching around and talking about their pronouns. This stuff is way above any accepted measure of gender dysphoria in a population. People are doing it because they are confused like all young people, this seems like the cool way out, or the way for everyone to like them since criticism is not allowed. Control of language and culture. We can say the other girls shouldn't swim but this is what they worked their whole lives for. This is paying for their college. They can't boycott and they can't speak up.

Control seems to be the key word. Especially when it comes to FTM.

Body dysphoria is a known problem in the world of teenage girls and control disorders have always been rampant (anorexia, bulimia and cutting being the worst offenders)
A massive social pushback was just starting when I was a teen and it does seem to have worked to a degree. Eating disorders do seem to have lessened and you don't hear as much anymore about cutting.

However, the actual factors behind those types of disorders are still there. They are control disorders and it's not so much about body image as it is control over something. It usually boils down to "I hate my body and my body is the only thing I can control." It's usually girls who have high levels of anxiety, overly controlling parents, depression and/or trauma.

My concern, and I've seen elements of it IRL, is that young woman with this type of mindset are finding a home among the trans movement where they are not getting help for their actual problems. Instead they are being praised and encouraged for engaging in the control behavior.

I will also say that MTF makes more sense to me as female is the genetic default, yet the numbers of FTM seem disproportionate.   
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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2022, 05:25:39 PM »


I will also say that MTF makes more sense to me as female is the genetic default, yet the numbers of FTM seem disproportionate.

Much easier to chop stuff off than glue stuff on.
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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2022, 05:26:31 PM »

You going to believe the narrative or your lying eyes?https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1479808356004995075?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

NBC News reports some say there’s ‘little scientific evidence’ biological males have an advantage in women’s sports
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/01/08/nbc-news-reports-some-say-theres-little-scientific-evidence-biological-males-have-an-advantage-in-womens-sports/

Then why have separate male and female teams?
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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2022, 06:04:50 PM »

Looks like the one trans swimmer lost to the other trans swimmer.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/penn-lia-thomas-two-races-tri-meet-transgender-yale-swimmer
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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2022, 08:33:03 PM »

Looks like the one trans swimmer lost to the other trans swimmer.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/penn-lia-thomas-two-races-tri-meet-transgender-yale-swimmer

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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2022, 11:52:06 PM »

Maybe "she" just wanted to be medically proactive and avoid the possibility of breast cancer.
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Re: Transgender athletics
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2022, 11:34:46 AM »

I'm seeing the tranny trend as two separate issues.  There's the teens declaring trans because teen angst/popularity/cool factor.  Kind of like tattoos and piercings.  And, like most fads, I expect it will pass.

Then, there's the athletes. I recall reading a survey years ago among college athletes that was addressing several issues.  The one I remember clearly was a question which asked, more or less, would you take a drug that would boost your athletic ability by 10%, but it would also shorten your life by 10%.  An overwhelming majority said they would.  Now, you take this same mentality among male athletes who are training hard but just not competitive for whatever reason, and drop in the idea that they can claim tranny status and compete as a female.  Some are going to see this as an opportunity to gain a competitive edge.  And they are taking that opportunity, because the PC police aren't allowing them to be criticized for doing so.  Now, I'm starting to see push back from real females, seeing female athletes hurt by the inclusions of tranny athletes in their sports, and the loss of opportunities,  scholarships, sponsorship money,  etc.  Won't it be fun to watch the fight between radical feminists and tranny supporters?
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