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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1451 on: April 30, 2022, 12:40:51 AM »

One does not simply walk into Ukraine.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1452 on: April 30, 2022, 07:49:54 AM »

One does not just simply walk into Ukraine.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1453 on: April 30, 2022, 10:40:16 AM »

It's from Business Insider, so there's the slant to consider, but still, an interesting article on a cross-section of the kinds of foreign volunteers Ukraine is getting:

https://www.businessinsider.com/they-went-to-ukraine-to-be-war-heroes-and-fight-russians-2022-4
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1454 on: May 01, 2022, 05:55:12 PM »

Apparently the ghost of Kiev was fake news. Just goes to show that everybody does propaganda.

I actually thought he was real, but that his kill count (something like 49 advanced aircraft!?!) was way overblown.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/05/01/ukraine-now-admits-the-ghost-of-kyiv-never-existed/
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1455 on: May 01, 2022, 06:18:19 PM »

I figured pretty much everyone knew from day one
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1456 on: May 01, 2022, 06:28:09 PM »

I also thought we knew this.  It was outed by Ukraine War watchers on Tik Tok, of all things.  They took apart the footage and called bullshit early on.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1457 on: May 05, 2022, 09:28:09 AM »

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1458 on: May 05, 2022, 09:35:55 AM »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/05/us-intelligence-helping-ukraine-kill-russian-generals-report

The US is apparently helping to target Russian senior officers.

I just heard that on the teevee. Seems there should have been a little more OPSEC for something like that, which could really rile up Putin. I'm surprised DoD is so forthcoming with "Yeah, we did that". They seem to be arguing that they did not provide intel specifically to target the Generals, but that seems kinda fishy. How did this many Generals get popped through "ancillary information"?
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1459 on: May 05, 2022, 09:43:25 AM »

Wouldn't surprise me to see a few high ranking US military and diplomatic types suddenly succumb to previously undiagnosed medical conditions.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1460 on: May 05, 2022, 09:54:43 AM »

This admin has been putting way too much information out there this whole war. I guess to show they are doing something since they have nothing else to go on but it's a little dangerous.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1461 on: May 05, 2022, 10:03:29 AM »

This admin has been putting way too much information out there this whole war. I guess to show they are doing something since they have nothing else to go on but it's a little dangerous.
I actually appreciate that Biden called a lot of Putin's shots early on.

Sure, some of his accusations may have been absolute speculation, but he called the invasion well ahead of time which made it harder for Putin to pull off the Crimea type invasion that I think he was expecting to.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1462 on: May 05, 2022, 10:09:17 AM »

I just heard that on the teevee. Seems there should have been a little more OPSEC for something like that, which could really rile up Putin. I'm surprised DoD is so forthcoming with "Yeah, we did that". They seem to be arguing that they did not provide intel specifically to target the Generals, but that seems kinda fishy. How did this many Generals get popped through "ancillary information"?

I also saw another news story the other day claiming that our aid to Ukraine has drained our military weapon resources. Between that and the story about the US helping target Russian brass, you think the news wants Putin to launch a few nukes at us.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1463 on: May 05, 2022, 10:17:07 AM »

I also saw another news story the other day claiming that our aid to Ukraine has drained our military weapon resources.

I've had worries that the US and W. Europe is going to be short of anti-tank/air weapon for a while but then again Russia is probably going be short of tanks and AC for a while as well.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1464 on: May 05, 2022, 10:20:28 AM »

I've had worries that the US and W. Europe is going to be short of anti-tank/air weapon for a while but then again Russia is probably going be short of tanks and AC for a while as well.
What if Russia is not the next threat we face?

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1465 on: May 05, 2022, 10:24:54 AM »

What if Russia is not the next threat we face?

China? Would be more Naval than land on our part.
Iran and N.Korea? I think the locals can handle it with the US providing air support and off shore naval support/strikes if need be.

Beyond them who's a big tank/air threat and I should note I'm not too sure about Iran being a big threat in that regard

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1466 on: May 05, 2022, 12:44:11 PM »

China? Would be more Naval than land on our part.
Iran and N.Korea? I think the locals can handle it with the US providing air support and off shore naval support/strikes if need be.

Beyond them who's a big tank/air threat and I should note I'm not too sure about Iran being a big threat in that regard

Our biggest threat is our own government.  =|

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1467 on: May 06, 2022, 09:06:20 AM »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/05/us-intelligence-helping-ukraine-kill-russian-generals-report

The US is apparently helping to target Russian senior officers.

Not just senor officers

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The US provided intelligence that helped Ukraine sink the Moskva, Russia's flagship Black Sea missile cruiser, several US media report.

Unnamed officials said Ukraine had asked the US about a ship sailing to the south of Odesa.

The US said it was the Moskva and helped confirm its location. Ukraine then struck it with two missiles.

The Pentagon has not commented. But a spokesman said the US gave intelligence to help Ukraine defend itself.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61343044

Not going to argue one way or the other whether or not we should provide info to the Ukrainians but sometimes our people need to shut the F up about it.

Reminds me of that newspaper after Midway that spilled the beans about our code breaking. Luckily the Japanese didn't catch on.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1468 on: May 06, 2022, 09:49:53 AM »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61343044

Not going to argue one way or the other whether or not we should provide info to the Ukrainians but sometimes our people need to shut the F up about it.


^^^ QFT.

There was a slogan during WW2, "Loose lips sink ships." IMHO, the less Russia knows about how, when, and where we are assisting Ukraine, the better.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1469 on: May 06, 2022, 09:53:03 AM »

BTW: That newspaper was the Chicago Tribune
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1470 on: May 06, 2022, 09:35:59 PM »

Note: Unconfirmed at this point
If true the Russians need to start looking at their point defenses on their ships

Russian warship Admiral Makarov ‘on fire after being hit by Ukrainian missile’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ship-admiral-makarov-ukraine-war-b2073007.html

Second Russian Warship Struck by Ukraine: Reports
https://news.yahoo.com/second-russian-warship-struck-ukraine-203251876.html

Data on the ship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_frigate_Admiral_Makarov
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1471 on: May 06, 2022, 09:41:35 PM »

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Several Twitter accounts that monitor open-source flight data gathered from satellites and transponders reported that known Russian rescue vessels and aircraft had rushed to the area, shortly after reports emerged that the Makarov had been struck with a missile.

Those accounts also reported that an unarmed U.S. military RQ-4 Global Hawk surveillance drone had been circling the area, indicating that an incident may have occurred. Photos of a ship burning, claimed to be the Makarov by users, were circulating on social media, though these have been unconfirmed.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1472 on: May 06, 2022, 09:46:23 PM »

Anyone know if the US has provided the Ukrainians with ECM equipment?
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1473 on: May 09, 2022, 07:11:28 PM »

The Russians are saying Musk will be held accountable for
"Supplying the fascist forces in Ukraine with military comm equipment"

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1523464037048020992

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1474 on: May 09, 2022, 08:37:47 PM »

Blame Jan 6
You can't make this stuff up but they can  :facepalm:

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https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/09/msnbcs-nicolle-wallace-says-january-6-made-vladimir-putins-minor-incursion-into-ukraine-easier/
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