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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1525 on: May 18, 2022, 02:16:39 PM »

... and they have to pass it so we can see what's in it.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1526 on: May 18, 2022, 02:47:46 PM »

I wonder what we would do if China decided to throw $50 billion or so in war aid to the ruskies? Oh, and have it all go to the war machine instead of pork.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1527 on: May 18, 2022, 07:06:39 PM »

Leave it to Business Insider to twist everything into Orange Man. In this case, Putin invaded Ukraine now because Trump frustrated him back when he was President.

https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-frustrated-constantly-explaining-things-to-trump-fiona-hill-2022-5
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1528 on: May 18, 2022, 08:23:17 PM »

 Ukraine forces use new American howitzers on Russian positions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz8JimT9Itg
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1529 on: May 19, 2022, 11:15:33 AM »

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/19/finland-against-hosting-nuclear-weapons-nato-military-bases-pm

Finland and Sweden want to join NATO, but don't want bases or nukes on their soil.  Hmmm.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1530 on: May 19, 2022, 11:36:19 AM »

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/19/finland-against-hosting-nuclear-weapons-nato-military-bases-pm

Finland and Sweden want to join NATO, but don't want bases or nukes on their soil.  Hmmm.
So they want military aide and access to NATO weapons?
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1531 on: May 19, 2022, 12:07:48 PM »

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    Former President George W. Bush: “The decision of one man to launch a wholly unjustified and brutal invasion of Iraq. I mean of Ukraine.” pic.twitter.com/UMwNMwMnmX

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https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/05/19/oops-george-w-bush-condemns-brutal-invasion-of-iraq-in-ukraine-speech/
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1532 on: May 19, 2022, 12:35:56 PM »

^^^You never forget your first invasion.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1533 on: May 19, 2022, 01:08:13 PM »

So they want military aide and access to NATO weapons?

And like most all the Western European countries, won't want to fork over their required percentage of ducats.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1534 on: May 19, 2022, 02:02:08 PM »

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/19/finland-against-hosting-nuclear-weapons-nato-military-bases-pm

Finland and Sweden want to join NATO, but don't want bases or nukes on their soil.  Hmmm.

Good.  They build their own bases, provide their own soldiers.  Buy NATO weaponry from various Western ironmongers and train to be able to integrate into allied NATO responses.

What's not to like?
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1535 on: May 19, 2022, 02:45:56 PM »

What's not to like?
Commitment to go to war to protect them if Russia gets froggy.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1536 on: May 19, 2022, 04:00:29 PM »

So they want military aide and access to NATO weapons?

They already have their own.

What they want is a guaranty that they'll have backup if Russia decides they're next.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1537 on: May 19, 2022, 04:00:50 PM »

^^^You never forget your first invasion.

So, Afghanistan?

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1538 on: May 19, 2022, 04:41:21 PM »

So, Afghanistan?

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1539 on: May 19, 2022, 04:43:55 PM »

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1540 on: May 19, 2022, 05:15:03 PM »

Where men ride camels and the goats are nervous

Not just the goats.   =|

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1541 on: May 19, 2022, 10:47:25 PM »

According to this John Deere remotely disabled tractors Russians plundered from a farm equipment dealership in Ukraine

Russians plunder $5M farm vehicles from Ukraine – to find they’ve been remotely disabled
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/01/europe/russia-farm-vehicles-ukraine-disabled-melitopol-intl/index.html
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1542 on: May 19, 2022, 11:46:39 PM »

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1543 on: May 20, 2022, 08:07:45 AM »

I guess we can laugh about Deere doing this to the ruskies, but it sure makes you think about what could be done to anyone, anywhere, if you happen to be an enemy of "X", or the unpopular [cough] MAGA [/cough] part of a population whose leaders have a Ministry of Truth.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1544 on: May 20, 2022, 08:11:55 AM »

I guess we can laugh about Deere doing this to the ruskies, but it sure makes you think about what could be done to anyone, anywhere, if you happen to be an enemy of "X", or the unpopular [cough] MAGA [/cough] part of a population whose leaders have a Ministry of Truth.

That was brought up in a YT video.
And not just tractors but it can be done with many cars nowadays
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1545 on: May 20, 2022, 08:24:24 AM »

That was brought up in a YT video.
And not just tractors but it can be done with many cars nowadays

I had to give one of my team members a ride home.  She missed a car payment and the dealer remotely disabled her car in the hospital parking lot. She had to bring cash to the dealer to get the car enabled again.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1546 on: May 20, 2022, 08:26:51 AM »

I had to give one of my team members a ride home.  She missed a car payment and the dealer remotely disabled her car in the hospital parking lot. She had to bring cash to the dealer to get the car enabled again.

What kind of car was it?
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1547 on: May 20, 2022, 08:28:52 AM »

It may not matter.  There are third party add-on GPS tracking and disablers that many "dealers" put on their used cars.  The buy here pay here places are notorious for them.

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« Reply #1548 on: May 20, 2022, 08:30:41 AM »

It may not matter.  There are third party add-on GPS tracking and disablers that many "dealers" put on their used cars.  The buy here pay here places are notorious for them.

Yeah, it did come to mind it was something they could have installed. But that could be easier to disable than something integrated in the system from the factory.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1549 on: May 20, 2022, 05:05:30 PM »

Hmm ... seems the sanctions aren't having the desired effect:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ruble-surges-7-high-gas-163120924.html
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