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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #200 on: February 24, 2022, 10:21:22 AM »
Move over Slawell and Reid, we have our most insane take yet.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #201 on: February 24, 2022, 10:25:18 AM »
This may be a close 2nd though

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    Lot of people in Ukraine crowding together inside.

    Only 35% of Ukrainians have been vaccinated. Less than 2% have been boosted.

    — Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) February 24, 2022
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/02/24/nobody-is-this-stupid-lefty-dragged-then-dragged-more-for-nagging-unvaccinated-ukrainians-about-crowding-together-inside/

Hmmm, bombs, COVID, bombs, COVID?


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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #202 on: February 24, 2022, 10:36:21 AM »
Never mind. The dems/libs are having a contest in who can post the dumbest out of touch of reality *expletive deleted*it

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One thing worth keeping in my mind today: There’s a straight line from Russia’s attack on the US election in 2016 to 1/6 to today’s new invasion of Ukraine. The chaos that Russia unleashed with the election of Trump weakened us to the point Putin feels confident invading Europe.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #203 on: February 24, 2022, 10:47:34 AM »
Just did a quick perusal of EU news outlets, they don't seem to be very worried about Russia
The US warned loudly & clearly that this was going to happen and they said we were overreacting. It doesn't seem like they have a better read on the situation.
European news. In this case specifically Germany, who, sad for me to say, seems to be going very soft on Russia for political /economic reasons. This story is from the Epoch Times Germany, who are pretty similar to the US Epoch Times in generally unbiased reporting.

In this article, they are talking about undue saber rattling by the US and UK, that Biden is overreacting, and even have interviews with Ukrainian officials downplaying the current crisis.

In the moral, catatonic stupor America finds itself in today it is only disagreement we seek, and the more virulent that disagreement, the better.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #204 on: February 24, 2022, 10:50:23 AM »
Reports there's fighting at Chernobyl.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #205 on: February 24, 2022, 10:59:05 AM »
Yep, they're having a contest

Bet he hopped on his private jet to say this

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    Former U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on BBC Arabic: The Ukraine Crisis Could Distract the World from the Climate Crisis While Having Massive Emissions Consequences #RussiaUkraineConflict #UkraineRussie #UkraineRussiaCrisis #ClimateCrisis @JohnKerry @ClimateEnvoy pic.twitter.com/nsOC1iZeGm

    — MEMRI (@MEMRIReports) February 24, 2022
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/02/24/not-a-parody-part-2-john-kerry-warns-of-the-carbon-footprint-of-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #206 on: February 24, 2022, 11:12:03 AM »
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #207 on: February 24, 2022, 11:13:30 AM »
Reports there's fighting at Chernobyl.

Do you want mutants with superpowers? Because fighting a war in a radioactive wasteland is how you get mutants with superpowers.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #209 on: February 24, 2022, 11:44:33 AM »
Yep, they're having a contest

Bet he hopped on his private jet to say this
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/02/24/not-a-parody-part-2-john-kerry-warns-of-the-carbon-footprint-of-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/

Don't worry Johnny, he is offsetting it by killing a bunch of people so they won't be admitting as many emissions.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #210 on: February 24, 2022, 11:54:24 AM »
And from another universe

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Mr. Putin has made a serious miscalculation.
He forgot he's no longer dealing with Trump.

Putin right now  :rofl:

True in the sense that you can never know what an Alzheimer's patient might do.  Paranoia is a common symptom of Alzheimer's.  Our dementia-addled leader could do something monumentally stupid in reaction to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #211 on: February 24, 2022, 12:24:12 PM »
I'll be honest: I thought this would end up being a more limited action on the eastern parts of Ukraine.  I thought a full scale invasion seemed less likely.

Ultimately the west will let Ukraine fall.  The lesson here is that countries without nuclear weapons exist at the convenience of those who do.

Also: The UN again proves it's uselessness.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #212 on: February 24, 2022, 12:29:22 PM »
Just heard someone at work say that Chinese aircraft are flying into Taiwan airspace.  Anyone hearing this? 
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« Reply #213 on: February 24, 2022, 12:31:07 PM »
Just heard someone at work say that Chinese aircraft are flying into Taiwan airspace.  Anyone hearing this?
They have been testing Taiwanese air space a number of times over the last year or more.  I hope it doesn't mean something more.
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« Reply #214 on: February 24, 2022, 12:34:35 PM »
They have been testing Taiwanese air space a number of times over the last year or more.  I hope it doesn't mean something more.

That's what I'm afraid of.  The Chinese saying "Quick, while everyone is looking at Ukraine, let's grab Taiwan."
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #215 on: February 24, 2022, 01:26:46 PM »
After doing a "readers digest" version of the history of Ukraine and also the history of Taiwan as a refresher I have a serious question. What is the time frame that should be accepted for a region to be considered separated from their "home" nation and be independent?

As far as China is concerned they never gave up Taiwan. The Taiwan government apparently for a while considered themselves the actual legitimate Chinese government in exile.

Russia and the USSR have been in "possession" of Ukraine for a substantial part of modern history, there are areas of Ukraine that are majority Russian or Russian leaning politically.

China plays the long game and it looks like KGB Putin does also.

Maybe the best long game for the USA and the west would have been to fortify and strengthen NATO as it consisted at the collapse of the USSR instead of expanding NATO eastward. Our NATO allies have been pretty feckless all along, particularly about pulling their own weight financially. Spreading NATO even thinner looks like a bad play to me.

My expectation was that China and Taiwan would unify peacefully in the future. They played the long game with Hong Kong and won and I don't see why they would rush things now. I just don't know what the sentiment is in Taiwan, if there is widespread support of the people for reunification the timeframe might be sped up.

Looking to the USA for leadership on the Ukraine issue with a totally compromised POTUS is probably not a wise move for the Europeans.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #216 on: February 24, 2022, 01:32:06 PM »
After doing a "readers digest" version of the history of Ukraine and also the history of Taiwan as a refresher I have a serious question. What is the time frame that should be accepted for a region to be considered separated from their "home" nation and be independent?

I don't think a given amount of time is really the right metric.  Along what lines do you think countries should form?  Geographic, cultural, linguistic, ethnic?

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« Reply #217 on: February 24, 2022, 01:38:00 PM »
Russia and China set up a new energy trade agreement before he invaded. Our sanctions won't mean crap to Putin.
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« Reply #218 on: February 24, 2022, 01:55:04 PM »
I don't think a given amount of time is really the right metric.  Along what lines do you think countries should form?  Geographic, cultural, linguistic, ethnic?

I'm thinking genetic, ethnic and cultural occupying a geographic location. My assumption until very recently was that Taiwan was of mostly Han Chinese descent. Apparently that is not true at all and that the majority are of Taiwanese descent, not from the Chinese or Japanese. If true I would say the Taiwanese are a distinct people/Nation on all counts.

I'm not sure about Ukraine, particularly since they have been a part of Russia on and off for a long time.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #219 on: February 24, 2022, 02:05:54 PM »
We have more sanctions we can put on Russia but we will see how these are working in a month. Let's Go Brandon.
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« Reply #221 on: February 24, 2022, 03:19:07 PM »
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« Reply #222 on: February 24, 2022, 03:25:48 PM »
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« Reply #224 on: February 24, 2022, 03:52:44 PM »
Anotov An-225 Mriya: Reports world's largest plane destroyed at Hostomel airport
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Oh no!  We would occasionally see the AN-225 and AN-124 landing at Paine Field in Everett or Boeing Field in Seattle, usually in the context of shipping parts for Boeing, or on the way to an airshow.  They made the C-5 Galaxy, 747, and 787 Dreamlifters look small.
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