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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #725 on: March 08, 2022, 09:11:27 PM »
The only flaw in that theory is they appear to have *expletive deleted*it logistics.

How long do you think Ukraine can hold out? I'm thinking two weeks max assuming nobody else joins the war officially.

From what I've read Ukraine had most of their military staged in the region of the breakaway states. That means the majority of the Ukraine military are more or less surrounded already. How long can they hold out as an island in the midst of a sea of Russian troops?

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #726 on: March 08, 2022, 09:49:57 PM »
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Venezuela releases Americans after oil negotiations
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Venezuela's socialist government has released two imprisoned Americans days after Biden administration officials travelled to Caracas to meet President Nicolás Maduro.

The move suggests a thawing of relations between the US and Venezuela, Russia's strongest ally in the Western hemisphere.

After banning Russian oil imports, the US is looking for other nations to help ease the supply shortage. Oil-producing Arab nations in the Gulf have reportedly been unwilling to increase exports, despite requests from the US.

US officials have told Venezuela that in order to remove sanctions on the country's oil sector, shipments to the US must be prioritised first, according to a Reuters report.

Some US lawmakers have aggressively denounced the idea of working with Venezuela to allow the country to export more oil.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60657155
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #727 on: March 08, 2022, 11:35:38 PM »
Russia to "unplug" from the global Internet on March 11:

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/84949/russia-to-disconnect-from-global-internet-on-march-11/index.html

(at least that's the popular rumour)
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« Reply #728 on: March 09, 2022, 08:00:39 AM »
Putin easing up on demands? Maybe?

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Israeli officials say Russia-Ukraine talks at critical point - reports
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Israel's prime minister has been speaking to both Ukraine and Russia's presidentsImage caption: Israel's prime minister has been speaking to both Ukraine and Russia's presidents

As we've been hearing, talks between Russia and Ukraine's foreign ministers are set to take place in Turkey tomorrow, and the country's President Erdogan is hoping to act as a mediator.

Meanwhile, Israel’s Prime Minister Naftali Bennett has also been acting as an intermediary, flying to Moscow to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin on Saturday and also speaking on the phone with him and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Israeli officials have briefed Israeli journalists that the discussions are now at a “critical” point.

US-based news site Axios reported on Tuesday night that the Israeli officials felt there had been a “softening of positions on both sides”

the Russians were saying “they only want to demilitarise the Donbas”.


Putin declared at the start of the invasion that he wanted to defend Russian-speaking communities through the “demilitarisation and de-Nazification” of Ukraine. He also demanded Ukraine recognise Crimea as part of Russia and recognise the independence of the Russian-backed areas of Luhansk and Donetsk, which are part of the Donbas region.

The Russian proposal was “difficult” for Zelensky to accept, but it “doesn’t include regime change in Kyiv and allows Ukraine to keep its sovereignty”, the Israeli officials added.

The Jerusalem Post cited sources as saying the Russian offer was “final”
, and that Putin would ramp up the Russian assault Mr Zelensky rejected it.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60657155
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« Reply #729 on: March 09, 2022, 08:03:35 AM »
Russia to "unplug" from the global Internet on March 11:

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/84949/russia-to-disconnect-from-global-internet-on-march-11/index.html

(at least that's the popular rumour)

You know how many Russian hackers that would put out of work?
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« Reply #730 on: March 09, 2022, 08:06:50 AM »
And something to go with your morning coffee
Really don't know how much of a REAL problem this is or could be but here it is.

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Ukraine says Chernobyl nuclear plant loses power supply
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Ukraine's state run nuclear company says electricity supplies to the former power plant at Chernobyl have been cut and has warned that radioactive substances could be released, because spent nuclear fuel cannot be cooled.

In a post of the telegram messaging app, Energoatom says a high-voltage line feeding the plant was disconnected after it was damaged during Russia's seizure of the station nearly two weeks ago.

Ukraine's Energy Minister German Galushchenko told the BBC that Ukraine has no access to monitoring information at the station and therefore cannot evaluate whether any radioactive substances are being released.

"We need to repair it as quickly as we can," Galushchenko said. But he added that there is "a special system of security in case of electricity cuts" which will allow the plant to operate for several days using diesel generators.

Earlier, the IAEA said it had stopped receiving monitoring data from the plant and warned that Ukrainian authorities had told them the plant's staff of about 210 workers have been on duty constantly for the past two weeks.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60657155
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #731 on: March 09, 2022, 09:01:01 AM »
How long do you think Ukraine can hold out? I'm thinking two weeks max assuming nobody else joins the war officially.

From what I've read Ukraine had most of their military staged in the region of the breakaway states. That means the majority of the Ukraine military are more or less surrounded already. How long can they hold out as an island in the midst of a sea of Russian troops?

At this point I legitimately don't know.  Two weeks ago I would have said 96 hours.  Now?

Ukraine is doing the correct stuff.  They pulled their armor formations away from the Russians after the first clash, and have denied the Russians the ability to pin them into a decisive battle.  They appear to have spent almost a decade prepping the battlespace, including usable logistics caches, and are using that preparation to enable small unit operations that are very effective.  They have let the Russian lead echelons penetrate pretty deep into their territory (trading land for time) and then have done a decent job of compromising Russian logistics in the Russian rear area.  They have a well organized and decently equipped reserve force that are being kept in their villages and home areas, so they have both motivation and homefield advantage, and those forces are being told not to engage front line enemy units, which expands their longevity significantly.  Ukrainian C2 seems to be largely functional.  While they don't have air superiority, they have denied it to the Russians allowing the Ukrainians to continue with (limited) strike and ISR capability.

The Russians have also gifted the Ukrainians by deciding to encircle and shell cities, as not only is that a PR nightmare, it provides a readymade infantry battlespace.  Russian AFVs and Tanks will not be able to maneuver freely in heavily damaged cities, and once they dismount the Ukrainian infantry, both regular and irregular, have proven to be very competent.  I suspect they are preparing defensive positions in those cities right now.

So, as is often the case, it will come down to logistics and morale.  Morale side, I think the Ukranians are clearly more than willing to fight, even to the destruction of large swaths of their country.  They are building themselves a mythos in real time. Conversely the Russians seem to be pretty cynical about the whole "De-Nazification" thing and are only there because they have to be.

On the logistics side, the Russians are at the end of a medium length supply route, the last bit of which runs through unsecured territory.  They have a massive *expletive deleted*it ton of fuel, ammo, and probably food, the question is do they have the assets and ability to deliver it.  That requires a bunch of trucks that work, some infantry to defend them, and the extra fuel and food to move them.

The Ukrainians are receiving supplies from NATO, and pretty clearly have significant supplies on the ground in distributed areas. I don't think anyone knows how much, because as far as I know we didn't know they had done this prep.


If the war stays like this, it's a question of weather the Russians lose the ability to supply fuel and ammo to their troops before the Ukrainians run out of ammo and man portable AAWs*.  If the Russians manage to pin down a couple large chunks of the Ukrainian military, they are likely to defeat it, and that might push the war to their win.  I think if the Russians try to enter and take the cities they are currently encircling, I think the Ukrainians will be able to kill enough of them in urban fighting to force Putin to back off.  10,000 or so dead Russian boys is something even Putin can't hide.

Again, the big unknown is Ukrainian supply status.  They were clearly way more prepared to let this drop into a small unit irregular war and to strike at Russian REMFs while paying the cost in buildings, civilian dead, and infrastructure destroyed then anyone thought.  Since we didn't know they had prepared the battlespace at all, it's hard to guess how well they did it, but just from Russian movements, confirmed destroyed and damaged vehicles, and the lack of any large scale engagement it's pretty obvious that it's going much closer to the Ukrainian plan than the Russian one.


Also Ukrainian PSYOPS has been masterful, while Russian has been pretty heavy handed Soviet style and ineffective.

*ETA: Anti Armor Weapons.  Sorry, sometimes the acronyms slip out.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #732 on: March 09, 2022, 09:04:33 AM »
Thanks for the great write up!
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #733 on: March 09, 2022, 05:13:33 PM »
 Here’s another Biden administration 180 on transferring Polish fighter jets to Ukraine
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/03/09/heres-another-biden-administration-180-on-transferring-polish-fighter-jets-to-ukraine/

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« Reply #734 on: March 09, 2022, 05:21:46 PM »
https://www.ft.com/content/367fffa1-0ba8-418d-ba05-e63c70cc0c1b

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The play that I wanted to write about “Anxiety” in premonition of war should have had a refrain: The Four Primary Rules of Firearm Safety, echoing what is being taught during the first lesson of handling firearms. I’d never held a gun in my hands till February 2022. My wife and I had several hours of training just to figure out what to do with it. Just in case. And now I regret like hell that I didn’t do that training before.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #735 on: March 09, 2022, 05:33:36 PM »
Interactive map

https://liveuamap.com/
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #736 on: March 09, 2022, 07:02:02 PM »
Multiple sources have reported Zelenskyy is saying they will not pursue NATO membership.

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« Reply #737 on: March 09, 2022, 07:18:11 PM »
Multiple sources have reported Zelenskyy is saying they will not pursue NATO membership.

And per my post earlier Putin may have dropped some demands. They're trying to reach a compromise.
One is getting his country wrecked the other is about to get his country wrecked.
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« Reply #738 on: March 09, 2022, 07:31:05 PM »
 :facepalm:

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    Pelosi: “When i spoke to President Zelensky, I said Billie Jean King, sends you her reguards.”@BillieJeanKing was on Capitol Hill today

    — Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) March 9, 2022
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/03/09/nancy-pelosi-says-she-told-ukraine-president-zelenskyy-that-billie-jean-king-sends-her-regards/


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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #739 on: March 09, 2022, 08:17:57 PM »
Kamala is in Poland
Be afraid, very afraid
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #740 on: March 09, 2022, 09:02:27 PM »
Kamala is in Poland
Be afraid, very afraid

Can she fly a Mig-29?
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« Reply #741 on: March 09, 2022, 09:09:06 PM »
Can she fly a Mig-29?

Please put her in one.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #742 on: March 09, 2022, 09:11:13 PM »

Things may get a little crazy.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #743 on: March 09, 2022, 09:12:04 PM »

I didn't see anyone ask Germany to get involved, but okay.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #744 on: March 09, 2022, 09:29:40 PM »
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US estimates up to 6,000 Russia troops have died
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A funeral for three Ukrainian troops in the western city of LvivImage caption: A funeral for three Ukrainian troops in the western city of Lviv

The US official estimate for the number of Russians killed in the first two weeks of the war is about 5,000 to 6,000, officials tell CBS News, the BBC's partner in the US.

The number of Russian troops wounded is estimated to be about 15,000 to 18,000, going by assumptions that the number of wounded is typically three times the number of killed.

One US official who wished to remain anonymous called this projection "very, very significant casualties", and compared the death rate to some World War Two battles.

Ukraine has claimed that 12,000 Russian soldiers have died in combat. Last week Russia said fewer than 500 of its troops had died in Ukraine.

The proverbial fog of war together with propaganda make all of these claims hard to verify.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60685883
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #745 on: March 09, 2022, 09:40:13 PM »
Can she fly a Mig-29?

No, but if the Mig-29 has a fly I'd bet she could open it with her teeth.
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« Reply #746 on: March 09, 2022, 09:41:22 PM »
Long, but worth watching:  VDH on Ukraine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFRsMs4Ltxw
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #747 on: March 09, 2022, 09:45:17 PM »
Can she fly a Mig-29?

Can we launch her from one?

https://youtu.be/bkQcioaFcCs?t=92

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« Reply #748 on: March 09, 2022, 10:10:04 PM »
Another fly in the ointment. The biolab story confirmed as true.

Glen Greenwald has a pretty straight write up at his blog.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/victoria-nuland-ukraine-has-biological?s=w

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #749 on: March 09, 2022, 10:14:18 PM »
What country doesn't?
Hospitals, med labs, agriculture research centers, and many colleges can be referred to as "Biological Research Facilities" as well.
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