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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #800 on: March 11, 2022, 03:05:38 PM »
I have a deceased friend who was a US Army armor officer in West Germany back in the late 70's. He was of the opinion that a massive Soviet attack on western Europe back then would have gone tactical nuclear in short order to stop them due to the disparity in conventional arms between the Soviets and NATO.

Safe to say the majority of WP tanks were better maintained back then compared to 2022 Russia and there was far more of them as well.

Quantity is its own quality. During the 70's and 80's the Red Army had almost 5.5 million active soldiers.  In East Germany alone they had two Motor Rifle Divisions and a Tank Division.  Motor Rifles had something like 2500 combat vehicles and the 10th Guards Tank division had almost 1000 tanks.  Plus artillery support.  That is what was expected to come through Fulda.

The current Red Army doesn't have the numbers to cover for their lack of training and limited modern equipment.


I would also caution you to judge too harshly.  Lots of Americans think of the US military as what a "normal" military is supposed to be.  We were the best in the world before we spent 20 years practicing and field testing ideas.  No one else's military works like ours, warts and all.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #801 on: March 11, 2022, 03:33:02 PM »
Putin is doing so good he is bringing 16,000 merc's in from the middle east.


Either things are going so bad they need help
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They're experienced in urban warfare after years of nasty urban warfare in Syria.
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The Russians know going into Kyvi is going to be a slaughter and they're considered expendable. Less crying Russian mothers
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Many Middle Easterners have often shown zero reluctance in conducting mass slaughters down to the last woman and child. It wasn't us it was those uncivilized people from the ME
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All the above
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #802 on: March 11, 2022, 03:36:39 PM »
It's not just POTUS with mental issues.

To start chuckling when such a grave situation is under discussion and people are dying by the thousands, well, there is something wrong with this woman upstairs - she's just not right in the head.

Seriously.  :facepalm:

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    The View's Sunny Hostin claims any criticism of Kamala Harris's inappropriate laughter when discussing Ukrainian refugees in Poland is "based in racism" and "that’s the truth of it."
    "What it is they constantly question the qualifications of black women," she said. pic.twitter.com/IyqePOLZOA

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #803 on: March 11, 2022, 05:00:31 PM »
Ukraine war: Fact-checking Russia's biological weapons claims
https://www.bbc.com/news/60711705

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Ukraine has dozens of public health laboratories that work to research and mitigate the threats of dangerous diseases.

Some of these labs receive financial and other support from the US, the European Union and the World Health Organization (WHO) - as is the case in many other countries.
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Despite Russian claims that these are "secret" labs, details of US involvement can be found on the US embassy's website.
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Additionally, the US set up its "Biological Threat Reduction Program" in the 1990s following the fall of the Soviet Union to reduce the risk from biological weapons that had been left behind in countries including Ukraine.

Under this programme certain labs receive funding from the US for modernisation and equipment, but are managed locally, not by the US.
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"There are no indications that Ukrainian labs have been involved in any nefarious activity, or any research or development in contravention of the Biological Weapons Convention," says Filippa Lentzos, a biosecurity expert at King's College London.

She adds that pathogens stored at biological labs are simply bacteria and viruses, and "not blueprints or components of biological weapons".

"The reason they are kept in secure facilities is for bio-safety, so people don't make themselves sick by getting access to them."

Apparently the UN wasn't buying Russia's claims either today.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #804 on: March 11, 2022, 05:56:48 PM »
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #805 on: March 11, 2022, 10:14:02 PM »
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #806 on: March 12, 2022, 07:13:02 AM »
No particular reason....

https://youtu.be/jIuuJRbYEiU (4:03)

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #807 on: March 12, 2022, 07:45:31 AM »
In a live feed last night you could see quite a few flashes from explosions around Kyiv. Couldn't hep thinking with every flash people are dying.  :'(
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #808 on: March 12, 2022, 09:01:28 AM »
Tank drag racing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGF-hlcHzbI

the reason I posted it here is because of this comment
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Challenger, Leclerc and T-90 were supposed to race, but Vladimir ran out of fuel and then some rude Ukrainian peasant stole it!
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #809 on: March 12, 2022, 10:03:45 AM »
Tank drag racing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGF-hlcHzbI

the reason I posted it here is because of this comment

I really liked this comment:

"Challenger does seem to be an improvement on the Chieftain from my time, the Chieftain's speed was dependent on the speed of the vehicle towing it."
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #810 on: March 12, 2022, 10:58:39 AM »
Tank drag racing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGF-hlcHzbI

the reason I posted it here is because of this comment
It would have been funnier if someone had thought to have a parachute pop out the back of each tank at the end of the drag race . . .
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #811 on: March 12, 2022, 11:48:50 AM »
Ukraine claiming 500-600 Russian soldiers surrendered Friday
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #812 on: March 12, 2022, 12:01:20 PM »
Russia threatens to leave American astronaut behind on the ISS:

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6300389605001#sp=show-clips
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #813 on: March 12, 2022, 12:05:54 PM »
Russia threatens to leave American astronaut behind on the ISS:

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6300389605001#sp=show-clips

Elon: I got this
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #815 on: March 12, 2022, 06:23:23 PM »
Gotta give Ukraine some honesty points on this one

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Victims of attack weren't using evacuation corridor - Ukraine

Earlier we reported a Ukrainian allegation that Russian troops had fired on a convoy of women and children leaving a village north-west of Kyiv on Friday, killing seven people.

Ukraine's intelligence service said the incident had happened on an agreed evacuation corridor from Peremoha.

However Ukrainian government officials have now said the victims were not using an agreed evacuation corridor as previously stated.

There was no independent verification of the attack and no immediate comment from Moscow.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #816 on: March 12, 2022, 08:35:49 PM »
Biden admin and his pet media are still beating the war drums and pushing for US intervention.
How soon do you think it will be before we're in a shooting war with Russia?
How soon do you think it will be before China moves on Taiwan?
I'm at the point where I think it is inevitable.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #817 on: March 12, 2022, 08:55:47 PM »
I'm at the point where I think it is inevitable.

We've also got this breaking news:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/8/rockets-fired-at-us-embassy-in-iraq-after-series-of-attacks

Twitchy is also reporting it, but none of the MSM are as of yet. Looks like chumming it up with Iran again is working out just peaches though.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #818 on: March 12, 2022, 09:18:21 PM »
We've also got this breaking news:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/8/rockets-fired-at-us-embassy-in-iraq-after-series-of-attacks

Twitchy is also reporting it, but none of the MSM are as of yet. Looks like chumming it up with Iran again is working out just peaches though.

Link is old news but I saw the new one in a ukraine reddit comment. Why do people pay network TV millions?
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #819 on: March 12, 2022, 09:19:25 PM »
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #820 on: March 12, 2022, 09:20:48 PM »
Biden admin and his pet media are still beating the war drums and pushing for US intervention.
How soon do you think it will be before we're in a shooting war with Russia?
How soon do you think it will be before China moves on Taiwan?
I'm at the point where I think it is inevitable.

I don't know.  I was surprised that the US backed away from the polish jets deal, at least publicly.  Has me wondering if the US is trying to limit involvement.  I could see the US administration wanting to keep this in the news to distract from domestic problems, but not really wanting to engage with a shooting war with the Russians.

If Russia starts using chemical weapons, would that push the west into the conflict?  Also, there seems to be some imaginary line between a country being a belligerent or not, as if the cargo jets full of weapons and money from the west don't make us involved already.

But I was wrong about Russia invading the Ukraine from the get go, so ehh?  I clearly don't know.   =)

If China makes a play for Taiwan, I could see them further strengthening ties with Russia as the western world condemns it.  And there's our axis power - China the economic giant, and Russia threatening nuclear annihilation.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #821 on: March 12, 2022, 09:25:38 PM »
Russian stock market closed all week
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #822 on: March 12, 2022, 09:42:32 PM »

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« Reply #823 on: March 12, 2022, 09:43:35 PM »
Link is old news but I saw the new one in a ukraine reddit comment. Why do people pay network TV millions?

Oh - sorry. This is from today:

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/03/12/report-multiple-long-range-ballistic-missiles-target-us-consulate-in-erbil-iraq/

Also the Epoch Times is on it, but premium content:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/at-least-5-rockets-hit-iraqs-erbil-near-us-embassy-reports_4333836.html

Not even Fox News is reporting it yet.

Epoch Times says they were near the Embassy, rather than directed to it.

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At least 12 missiles landed on targets in northern Iraq, hitting an area near a U.S. Consulate in the city of Erbil in the early hours of Sunday, the state news agency quoted the Directorate General of Counter Terrorism in Kurdistan as saying.

“Several missiles fell on the city of Erbil,” said governor Omid Khoshnaw, the Iraqi News Agency (INA) also reported. Erbil is the capital city of the autonomous Kurdistan region of Iraq.

“No victims or casualties after Erbil blasts,” Saman Barzanji, health minister in Iraq’s Kurdistan Province, was cited as saying.

A spokesman for the Kurdish regional government said there were no casualties. A U.S. State Department spokesperson called it an “outrageous attack” but said no Americans were hurt and there was no damage to U.S. government facilities in Erbil.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #824 on: March 13, 2022, 11:43:35 AM »
Video allegedly showing French volunteer fighting for Ukraine and seized Russian armored vehicle
https://twitter.com/SputnikATO/status/1502965429706313730
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