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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1125 on: March 28, 2022, 12:13:27 PM »
It's another in a long line of you didn't hear Biden say what you heard Biden say.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1126 on: March 28, 2022, 12:22:38 PM »
Hmmm

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Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich and Ukrainian peace negotiators reportedly suffered symptoms of suspected poisoning when they met to discuss peace negotiations earlier this month, several news sources have claimed.

Abramovich, along with another Russian entrepreneur, had taken part in the negotiations alongside Crimean Tatar lawmaker Rustem Umerov.

Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich suffered suspected poisoning, reports say
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1129 on: March 28, 2022, 02:07:28 PM »
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1130 on: March 28, 2022, 02:27:29 PM »
Honestly, I could go 50/50 on whether Russia or Ukraine did it.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1131 on: March 28, 2022, 03:58:29 PM »
It's another in a long line of you didn't hear Biden say what you heard Biden say.

Now it's because he's Irish

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    Leon Panetta says on CNN that Biden’s gaffe in Europe about regime change came about because Biden is Irish, and his instinct to internalize human suffering may have overwhelmed him to the point where he was not careful about what he said. Biden needs more discipline Panetta says

    — Gordon Lubold (@glubold) March 28, 2022
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1132 on: March 28, 2022, 06:51:18 PM »
Now Biden says it a lie. He didn't say any of that stuff.

They don't want to 25th him because she is an idiot but I'm starting to wonder if we make it to January 2025.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1133 on: March 28, 2022, 08:00:20 PM »
Russian army expert Igor Strelkov: "MY WORST FEARS CAME TRUE, we got stuck in a long & bloody war"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUTyQfev3Ss
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1135 on: March 28, 2022, 09:12:07 PM »
I saw some video linked on another site purporting to show Ukrainian soldiers (not sure if regular or militia) abusing Russian captives. I noticed a lot of the captives had bloody leg and groin injuries. Then at the end one of the Ukrainians walked up to three mobile Russians and shot them in the legs and knees.

War is pretty nasty.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1136 on: March 28, 2022, 10:37:50 PM »
I saw some video linked on another site purporting to show Ukrainian soldiers (not sure if regular or militia) abusing Russian captives. I noticed a lot of the captives had bloody leg and groin injuries. Then at the end one of the Ukrainians walked up to three mobile Russians and shot them in the legs and knees.

War is pretty nasty.

If you look at what the soviets and russians have done to them since 1919 IDGAF.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1137 on: March 28, 2022, 10:45:29 PM »
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1138 on: March 28, 2022, 10:53:29 PM »
I saw some video linked on another site purporting to show Ukrainian soldiers (not sure if regular or militia) abusing Russian captives. I noticed a lot of the captives had bloody leg and groin injuries. Then at the end one of the Ukrainians walked up to three mobile Russians and shot them in the legs and knees.

War is pretty nasty.

That's one way to ensure they don't immediately rejoin the fight after repatriation.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1139 on: March 29, 2022, 01:12:01 AM »
That's one way to ensure they don't immediately rejoin the fight after repatriation.
Yeah, it is certainly more efficient than imprisoning them, and if you are going to send them back to Russia you are simultaneously adding to Russia’s logistical and financial burdens while removing the immediate threat of that soldier reentering combat.

Still pretty brutal to see guys taking rifle rounds point blank to the legs.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1140 on: March 29, 2022, 05:34:15 AM »
That's the kind of thing that will get you a trip to The Hague.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1141 on: March 29, 2022, 08:05:41 AM »
That's the kind of thing that will get you a trip to The Hague.

Well, maybe if you're Russia. It seems that, in the US at least, it's like Ukraine has announced that they are gender transitioning, so they are popular and can do no wrong. If the video is accurate and the abuse is widespread and not a one-off incident, it will be interesting to see how the world reacts.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1142 on: March 29, 2022, 08:29:17 AM »
Americans like to think wars are like video games. You know, when there are flames shooting out of a hit tank they don't think about about the 4 guys inside. It's just a video game.  :O

Yeah if widespread they should go full force on whomever. 

I'm sure there's some really crazy *expletive deleted*it going on we're not seeing.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1143 on: March 29, 2022, 08:41:50 AM »
Meanwhile

Reports Russia force have ceased offensive operations around Kyiv.
Also reports the Ukrainians have recaptured two towns outside Kyiv
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1144 on: March 29, 2022, 09:11:08 AM »
Meanwhile

Reports Russia force have ceased offensive operations around Kyiv.
Also reports the Ukrainians have recaptured two towns outside Kyiv

Heard that this morning as well on CNN.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1145 on: March 29, 2022, 09:35:46 AM »
The Russians are reportedly killing civilians intentionally so…I really don’t give a *expletive deleted*ck what the Ukrainians are doing to their POWs/captives/detainees
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1146 on: March 29, 2022, 09:58:56 AM »
The Russians are reportedly killing civilians intentionally so…I really don’t give a *expletive deleted*ck what the Ukrainians are doing to their POWs/captives/detainees

Well, I kind of do.  Two wrongs don't make a right and all that.  POW's should be treated in accordance to international convention.  Any party breaking that should absolutely be condemned.


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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1147 on: March 29, 2022, 10:20:18 AM »
Let me know when there's a war where every soldier plays by the "rules".
Not justifying anything just staying aware of the reality of human conflict in all of history
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1148 on: March 29, 2022, 10:29:25 AM »
Let me know when there's a war where every soldier plays by the "rules".
Not justifying anything just staying aware of the reality of human conflict in all of history

That's fair, and I suppose a one-off isn't unexpected, although still needs addressed.  If it's systemic, that is a problem IMO.

But that's easy to say behind a keyboard, in a warm house, not in a life-or-death armed fight for national existence.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1149 on: March 29, 2022, 10:33:26 AM »
Couple of points:

1. Yes, folks act badly in every war.  US soldiers even act badly in war.  That should not be tolerated.

2. Unlike many BS ROE restrictions and touchy feely crap, rules on the treatment of POW's have a very real effect on the war.  Torturing and maiming POW's is how you end up with armies not surrendering even when they have lost, and really brutal outcomes.  There are solid reasons to treat your prisoners correctly, even if your opponent is not.

3. It's becoming pretty clear that NATO (us) is going to get sucked into this bullshit conflict sooner or later.  I would prefer not to have to shoot an "ally" in the face because they have made a habit of committing war crimes.

4. Again, we don't have to pick a side here. Bad and Not-as-Bad are fighting, due to bad government.  That's no reason to be "OK" with 18 year old draftees being kneecapped because they avoided being shot by their Замполит. *


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