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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1175 on: March 30, 2022, 12:57:45 PM »
Seems like a huge security risk to me.
If they're getting into them and making phone calls that would imply they're unlocked.

Of course a lot of phones these days use fingerprint or facial recognition so you’d be able to hold the dead guys head up or use his finger to get it unlocked
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1176 on: March 30, 2022, 01:04:06 PM »
Of course a lot of phones these days use fingerprint or facial recognition so you’d be able to hold the dead guys head up or use his finger to get it unlocked

Which a big reason why I consider it a security risk
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1177 on: March 30, 2022, 02:00:49 PM »
Of course a lot of phones these days use fingerprint or facial recognition so you’d be able to hold the dead guys head up or use his finger to get it unlocked

More than a few people would have no problem doing that.


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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1178 on: March 30, 2022, 02:38:34 PM »
Seems like a huge security risk to me.
If they're getting into them and making phone calls that would imply they're unlocked.

Oh, it is a security risk.  A huge one.  You can map out several US bases in Iraq and Afghanistan if you know where to look on the Garmin Connect ap.

That said, getting cell phones away from 20 year olds is more difficult than you'd think in practice.  Where do you think all those videos of US soldiers in combat or on patrol on TikTok come from?  Phones and GoPro's on soldiers.  We generally keep them from live streaming operations, but that's about it.  We also have them on airplane mode when actually out doing stuff.  No point in letting people DF our position.  We also have near constant OPSEC classes.

But yeah, they have phones with them.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1179 on: March 30, 2022, 08:31:03 PM »
What if Putin didn't miscalculate?

This article makes some interesting points: https://dnyuz.com/2022/03/29/what-if-putin-didnt-miscalculate/
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1180 on: March 31, 2022, 10:13:17 AM »
deleted, I can't find the video.  Thanks for point out the bad link.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1181 on: March 31, 2022, 10:41:51 AM »
Pb, that link goes to a video titled Blind Mans eye starts to die….

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1182 on: March 31, 2022, 11:31:59 AM »
Things are about to get interesting over gas
Friday is the deadline over paying in roubles
+ Putin is saying "economic war" against Russia started years ago

Pay in roubles or we'll end gas contracts - Putin
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60923158?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6245ab721fea84616a6cd637%26Pay%20in%20roubles%20or%20we%27ll%20end%20gas%20contracts%20-%20Putin%262022-03-31T13%3A26%3A07.176Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:22a08fd4-0e6b-458d-8641-3c73cd561e2b&pinned_post_asset_id=6245ab721fea84616a6cd637&pinned_post_type=share

UK not looking into Russia gas payments in roubles, says UK PM's spokesman
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60923158?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6245c3334f71af55b4616471%26UK%20not%20looking%20into%20Russia%20gas%20payments%20in%20roubles%2C%20says%20UK%20PM%27s%20spokesman%262022-03-31T15%3A26%3A03.174Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:25f6766b-d6e0-4831-a68e-82e3c89e967b&pinned_post_asset_id=6245c3334f71af55b4616471&pinned_post_type=share

We will not be blackmailed by Putin - Germany
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60923158?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6245afb34f71af55b4616460%26We%20will%20not%20be%20blackmailed%20by%20Putin%20-%20Germany%262022-03-31T13%3A58%3A49.199Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:4ca35c39-04d1-4d86-b91d-62972106d5c9&pinned_post_asset_id=6245afb34f71af55b4616460&pinned_post_type=share

We are not doing charity - Putin on Russian gas
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60923158?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6245ae541fea84616a6cd63e%26We%20are%20not%20doing%20charity%20-%20Putin%20on%20Russian%20gas%262022-03-31T13%3A44%3A36.381Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:f8a683f1-e5cf-4643-a72a-fc303221ae8b&pinned_post_asset_id=6245ae541fea84616a6cd63e&pinned_post_type=share
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1183 on: March 31, 2022, 11:35:28 AM »
Germany and Austria take step towards gas rationing
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60925016
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1184 on: March 31, 2022, 12:03:11 PM »
I definitely understand the don’t commit war crimes. In the large it seems like Ukraine is trying to treat pows well for the PR. Also no doubt they have done some very bad things. Sympathy for the recipients is also non existent. Were  they still in their country there would be no issues.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1185 on: March 31, 2022, 12:56:38 PM »
Unconfirmed

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KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Russian troops began leaving the Chernobyl nuclear plant after soldiers got “significant doses" of radiation from digging trenches at the highly contaminated site, Ukraine’s state power company said Thursday as heavy fighting raged on the outskirts of Kyiv and other fronts.
Russian forces leaving Chernobyl after radiation exposure
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/russian-forces-leaving-chernobyl-after-radiation-exposure/article_fb53b7ef-a0e7-5d7e-a5c2-fd02b92f39a3.html
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1186 on: March 31, 2022, 02:03:09 PM »
What if Putin didn't miscalculate?

This article makes some interesting points: https://dnyuz.com/2022/03/29/what-if-putin-didnt-miscalculate/
That article is silly.  It offers the binary choice that either Putin wanted to conquer the whole of Ukraine, or that the most important parts of Ukraine to him were the ones containing massive petro deposits.

On one hand I agree with a lot of that article's interpretation of Putin's goals and win conditions, but on the other that article makes it out as though Putin wanted his invasion to stall and suffer losses for some incomprehensible reason.  That doesn't make sense at all.  The better and faster the invasion goes, the stronger his negotiating position.  The weaker Russia looks, the less likely he is going to get the concessions he wants.

I just don't buy the idea that he had to intentionally let a bunch of his troops get wasted just so he had an excuse to bomb civilians so that Ukraine would then be more eager to give him the territory he wants.

If he had the capacity to launch a successful invasion that rapidly pacified Ukrainian troops and resulted in Russian seizure of Kiev on day three he would have done it.  And he still might well have then gone on to magnanimously release the territory he didn't want.  The fact that he has a fallback bargaining position that allows him to hold what he was most interested in doesn't mean he didn't miscalculate or that making his forces look weak was intentional.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1188 on: March 31, 2022, 11:20:34 PM »
Might as well have carpet bombed it with bombers like they did in WWII

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1190 on: April 01, 2022, 10:05:04 AM »
Germany's Ministry of Interior posts a warning on twitter:

"Russia’s war of aggression against #Ukraine is a criminal offense. Anyone publicly approving the war may be liable to prosecution in Germany. This applies to using the "Z" symbol, too. German security authorities are keeping an eye on the use of the symbol. - Ministry of Interior"
https://twitter.com/GermanyinUSA/status/1508552762296082432?s=20&t=XZ71xUwqlpOwmerCmZCl2g


In this case the "Interior" must refer to the way a person thinks and feels . . .

But, Russia is the bad guy (this month) so I guess it's all OK.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1191 on: April 01, 2022, 10:35:55 AM »
Apparently Russia seems to think they're off limits

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1192 on: April 01, 2022, 10:37:09 AM »
Germany's Ministry of Interior posts a warning on twitter:

"Russia’s war of aggression against #Ukraine is a criminal offense. Anyone publicly approving the war may be liable to prosecution in Germany. This applies to using the "Z" symbol, too. German security authorities are keeping an eye on the use of the symbol. - Ministry of Interior"
https://twitter.com/GermanyinUSA/status/1508552762296082432?s=20&t=XZ71xUwqlpOwmerCmZCl2g

In this case the "Interior" must refer to the way a person thinks and feels . . .

But, Russia is the bad guy (this month) so I guess it's all OK.


If "Z" is for Zelenskyy, how is that "pro-Russia"? I must be missing a meme or something.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1193 on: April 01, 2022, 10:42:13 AM »

If "Z" is for Zelenskyy, how is that "pro-Russia"? I must be missing a meme or something.

You'll often see a Z painted on Russian vehicles in Ukraine

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Prior to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the letter "Z" was seen painted on tanks as well as other military vehicles massing near the border. With both countries using similar tanks and trucks, it was originally thought this was meant to distinguish different units to prevent friendly fire and assist with mobilization.
The letter Z is becoming a symbol of Russia's war in Ukraine. But what does it mean?
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/09/1085471200/the-letter-z-russia-ukraine

It's become to be seen as a sign of support of the invasion. Even seen photos of cars in the US with a big Z painted on them often followed by another photo of the car with the windows smashed out.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1194 on: April 01, 2022, 10:45:00 AM »
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The Latin-script letter Z (Russian: зет) is one of several symbols (O, V) painted on military vehicles of the Russian Armed Forces involved in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, speculated to help task forces distinguish themselves from other allied or enemy forces.[1][2]

As a pro-war symbol, the "Z" has been used by the Russian government as a propaganda tool,[9] and by Russian civilians as a sign of support for the invasion. Outside Russia, the symbol has therefore been banned from public display in several states.

Z (military symbol)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_(military_symbol)
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1195 on: April 01, 2022, 10:45:45 AM »
Ah, got it. Thanks.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1196 on: April 01, 2022, 11:08:58 AM »
I guess any pro-Putin Germans can just say the Z is zer pronoun.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1198 on: April 01, 2022, 07:34:03 PM »
It could also have been a false flag operation.

I don't care. I think it's hilarious that Russia would invade a sovereign nation, kill thousands (if not tens or hundreds of thousands) of civilians, essentially level major cities ... and then have the chutzpah to complain about an oil facility being blown up.
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