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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1475 on: May 12, 2022, 02:56:34 PM »

Russia withdrawing troops from the Kharkiv Oblast region.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-withdrawing-troops-kharkiv-ukraine-war-uk-says

Ostensibly to relocate troops in support of other areas, but guessing there's no lack of pressure on the home front - social, political, and economic - to pack it up and go home. It doesn't help that most of Russia plenty wired in to international news sources and has no trouble seeing through the lies. Deceiving your populace doesn't tend to last long when people can't buy food, see direct evidence of senseless brutality, and are having family members come home in body bags.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1476 on: May 12, 2022, 09:11:46 PM »

Finland and Sweden expected to formally announce their decisions to apply for NATO membership Sunday. Russia threatens to retaliate.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61420185
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1477 on: May 13, 2022, 07:29:35 AM »

Yes, that will ensure Russian victory,  open another front in the war.

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« Reply #1478 on: May 13, 2022, 07:31:33 AM »

Yes, that will ensure Russian victory,  open another front in the war.

It's finally Russia's turn to experience a two front war.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1479 on: May 13, 2022, 11:13:33 AM »

Turkey is saying they'll nix the Finns and Swedes from joining NATO because they're home to terrorists.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1480 on: May 13, 2022, 12:04:34 PM »

Russian economy facing a major contraction:

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/russia-s-economy-facing-worst-contraction-since-1994-1.1763117

The second order effects will be . . . interesting . . . to watch.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1481 on: May 13, 2022, 12:05:26 PM »

Turkey is saying they'll nix the Finns and Swedes from joining NATO because they're home to terrorists.

Ummmm.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1482 on: May 13, 2022, 12:07:52 PM »

Turkey is saying they'll nix the Finns and Swedes from joining NATO because they're home to terrorists.

You have a source for that?
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1484 on: May 13, 2022, 12:49:00 PM »

Does it only take one NATO member to veto new applicants for membership? Or is it a majority vote?
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1485 on: May 13, 2022, 12:49:07 PM »

Turkey complaining about terrorists ... now THAT's funny.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1486 on: May 13, 2022, 12:54:55 PM »

He's still griping about Greece joining NATO
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1487 on: May 13, 2022, 01:00:27 PM »

And everyone you don't like is a terrorist.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1488 on: May 13, 2022, 01:34:57 PM »

Does it only take one NATO member to veto new applicants for membership? Or is it a majority vote?

Approval must be unanimous, as explained in the Yahoo article posted by HankB.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1489 on: May 13, 2022, 01:50:41 PM »

Turkey complaining about terrorists ... now THAT's funny.

Indeed.

I suspect the Turks are holding out for some concessions (i.e., bribes) before giving approval.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1490 on: May 13, 2022, 02:05:28 PM »

Likely.

It's ironic that a country that doesn't lie anywhere near the North Atlantic Ocean can exercise any control whatsoever over admission to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization for two countries who are decidedly in the North Atlantic region.

The real terrorist is Erdogan.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1493 on: May 13, 2022, 04:05:31 PM »

Russian official:  Poland is next

https://www.foxnews.com/world/russian-lawmaker-poland-next-in-line-denazification-after-ukraine

So we're really going to do this dance then?

Perhaps that's Putin's plan for economic recovery.  Let NATO run into the Urals, than soak up that sweet US reconstruction money we always throw around after an invasion.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1494 on: May 13, 2022, 04:16:17 PM »

Indeed.

I suspect the Turks are holding out for some concessions (i.e., bribes) before giving approval.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1495 on: May 13, 2022, 04:35:11 PM »

I'm really hoping that this is rhetoric.  I can't conceive of why the Russians would think an Article 5 incursion would get them closer to their goals?   I suppose that means I probably don't understand their goals.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1496 on: May 13, 2022, 05:02:48 PM »

Given how quickly the Russians are losing vehicles in Ukraine, they may not have anything left to try to take into Poland.

Not to mention... Poland is a NATO member state.

I think even the Russians know how that would work out for them if they tried that. That would set of a general land war in Europe, and it would not end well for anyone.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1497 on: May 13, 2022, 05:04:48 PM »

Russia just decided to have a chat with our Pentagon.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3487612-austin-speaks-with-russian-counterpart-for-first-time-since-start-of-war-in-ukraine/

Not sure if this means the Russians are trying to back away from WWIII, or if it means Putin and Biden are going to start coordinating their attacks on the Nazis they both see behind every bush.  ;/
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1498 on: May 13, 2022, 05:11:44 PM »

I'm really hoping that this is rhetoric.  I can't conceive of why the Russians would think an Article 5 incursion would get them closer to their goals?   I suppose that means I probably don't understand their goals.

It occurred to me that Morozov may have been drunk at the time.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1499 on: May 13, 2022, 05:41:25 PM »

Given how quickly the Russians are losing vehicles in Ukraine, they may not have anything left to try to take into Poland.

Not to mention... Poland is a NATO member state.

I think even the Russians know how that would work out for them if they tried that. That would set of a general land war in Europe, and it would not end well for anyone.
It would be more than just a land war in Europe - picking a fight with Poland would mean starting a war with all 30 or so NATO nations, so that Russian military & industrial assets would be targeted by NATO members WORLDWIDE. Things would really spiral out of anyone's control if the Russians were to coordinate an attack on Poland with a Chicom assault on Taiwan - hopefully, cooler, saner heads will prevail.
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