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Re: SIG MCX Spear
« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2022, 08:14:32 AM »

I am getting a bit suspicious about Sig suddenly winning all these contracts  [tinfoil]

SIG Sauer Rattler Wins US SOCOM Personal Defense Weapon Contract
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/05/23/sig-sauer-rattler-wins-us-socom-personal-defense-weapon-contract/

Oh and they're in 5.56 and 300BO
Good combo for ammo mixups  :O
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Re: Moving to another thread
« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2022, 08:19:44 AM »

Sorry to sound like a mod but how about we move this to the thread that was started on this very subject
https://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=65978.msg1338198#msg1338198
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Re: SIG MCX Spear
« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2022, 09:25:25 AM »

Here's a dumb question: Will there be the same potential rifle/cartridge compatibility issues between the .277 and 6.8x51 as there are between the .223 and 5.56?

I'm not even clear on if the 6.8 will be available in the civilian world, or only the .277.

Additionally, I see that Sig is putting out a civilian special edition with a 13 inch barrel and a factory can. Doesn't that mean two tax stamps? I can't see this rifle as an AR pistol.

https://martinezgunshop.com/product/mcx-spear/

On the first, if they are talking about a lower pressure civilian loads for the .277, then YES, we will have issues with differences between military loads and civilian loadings.  However, they may not be dimensional differences.  If the civilian loadings are lower pressure, I would be suspicious that they or others might make barrels for the civilian loads that can't handle full power military loads. 

On the last, I assume it would be two stamps.  I think the only way to make it a single stamp is to permanently attached the suppressor (I am not an expert on this).  I wouldn't want to do that myself even if I never intended to shoot unsuppressed.  That said, it seems to me you need the barrel length to get the velocity out of this cartridge to make it worth having. 

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Re: Moving to another thread
« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2022, 09:27:29 AM »

Your wish is my command.  I have moved this post into the correct thread.

Now cluck like a chicken   :P
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Re: Moving to another thread
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2022, 09:29:13 AM »

Now cluck like a chicken   :P
Wrong thread.

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Re: SIG MCX Spear
« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2022, 09:30:01 AM »

"Here's a dumb question: Will there be the same potential rifle/cartridge compatibility issues between the .277 and 6.8x51 as there are between the .223 and 5.56?"

The cartridge specifications are identical. The rub comes in the chamber specifications between arsenal and civilian.
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Re: SIG MCX Spear
« Reply #31 on: May 25, 2022, 09:34:19 AM »

Anyone seen any estimates of cost per round?
I can it being quite high since it uses a 3 piece case.
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Re: SIG MCX Spear
« Reply #32 on: May 25, 2022, 10:50:44 AM »

Anyone seen any estimates of cost per round?
I can it being quite high since it uses a 3 piece case.
I would assume the cost would go down once it got to full production, but at this point I don't know if that is guaranteed. 
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Re: SIG MCX Spear
« Reply #33 on: May 25, 2022, 10:54:35 AM »

I haven't seen the full chooch hybrid cases for sale yet.  Downloaded brass cased .277 is $34 a box.

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Re: SIG MCX Spear
« Reply #34 on: May 25, 2022, 02:57:09 PM »


Additionally, I see that Sig is putting out a civilian special edition with a 13 inch barrel and a factory can. Doesn't that mean two tax stamps? I can't see this rifle as an AR pistol.

https://martinezgunshop.com/product/mcx-spear/

That is a special edition; an exact copy of the rifle being bought by the Army.  Be the first kid on your block to get one.

Or...

Get one of these other MCX rifle/pistol configurations for a much lower price.  https://www.sigsauer.com/firearms/rifles-pistols/sig-mcx.html

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Re: SIG MCX Spear
« Reply #35 on: May 25, 2022, 03:00:43 PM »

There was a time in my life that I'd probably have really coveted one of those.

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Re: SIG MCX Spear
« Reply #36 on: May 25, 2022, 03:06:11 PM »

That is a special edition; an exact copy of the rifle being bought by the Army.  Be the first kid on your block to get one.

Or...

Get one of these other MCX rifle/pistol configurations for a much lower price.  https://www.sigsauer.com/firearms/rifles-pistols/sig-mcx.html

It's weird, because I don't think that's even an exact copy of the XM-5.  The one I saw had a longer barrel than that.

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Re: SIG MCX Spear
« Reply #37 on: May 25, 2022, 03:09:04 PM »

It's weird, because I don't think that's even an exact copy of the XM-5.  The one I saw had a longer barrel than that.

This article says 13 inch barrel is standard.  https://www.tierthreetactical.com/master-review-sig-sauer-next-generation-squad-weapon-mcx-spear/
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Re: SIG MCX Spear
« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2022, 03:59:35 PM »

That is a special edition; an exact copy of the rifle being bought by the Army.  Be the first kid on your block to get one.

Or...

Get one of these other MCX rifle/pistol configurations for a much lower price.  https://www.sigsauer.com/firearms/rifles-pistols/sig-mcx.html

"Much lower price" is all relative with Sig.  :laugh:

I have the MCX Canebrake with the Titanium 762 suppressor and it is by far the most expensive gun setup I own.
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Re: SIG MCX Spear
« Reply #39 on: May 26, 2022, 07:23:12 AM »

Sig's business model.

Monday -- Quietly quit carrying parts, magazines, and accessories for Model XXX1

Tuesday -- Announce that Model XXX1 has been discontinued

Wednesday  -- Watch the world *expletive deleted*ing burn for Sig owners as they now pay 5 times the already extravagant MSRP for a magazine for the Model XXX1

Thursday -- Announce the Model XXX2, which is similar, but just different enough that it has no parts or magazine commonality with the XXX1.

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Re: SIG MCX Spear
« Reply #40 on: May 26, 2022, 07:35:25 AM »


Friday -- Go to Oktoberfest and slam sausages, beer, and Brunhilda.

That has me forgiving them for MON-THU.  =D
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Re: SIG MCX Spear
« Reply #41 on: May 26, 2022, 09:14:48 AM »

I would assume the cost would go down once it got to full production, but at this point I don't know if that is guaranteed.
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Re: SIG MCX Spear
« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2022, 09:47:13 AM »

Sig MCX Spear - US Army NGSW - Disassembly, Live Fire & Discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO4IKxECNzI

Product Spotlight: SIG MCX Spear Next-Generation Battle Rifle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAAhIB-Ut7k

The US Army’s new Service Rifle - The SIG SPEAR / NGSW XM5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEf3ZlUkOCg

Mud Test: Sig MCX Spear - US Army NGSW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhFjUliSvVc
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Re: SIG MCX Spear
« Reply #43 on: May 28, 2022, 10:24:25 PM »

You guys are hilarious. Muzzle velocity. Wear and tear on weapons. Terminal ballistics.
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Re: SIG MCX Spear
« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2022, 04:26:53 PM »

The MSM can't believe Sig is selling the Death Star rifle to civilians

Media freaking over Sig's civilian version of military rifle
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/07/28/sigs-civilian-rifle-n60878

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He added that the gun is chambered in 277 SIG Fury, the commercial variant of the 6.8 x 51 hybrid military round available in the company’s hybrid case technology submitted to the US Army NGSW program, per the company website.

“The revolutionary SIG FURY ammunition is the most technically advanced leap in smalls arms ammunition in over 150 years, this turns your intermediate rifle platform into magnum performance without the added weight or length while still using 20-round magazines,” Cohen said.

The gun can tear through body armor at extended ranges, according to The Daily Beas

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A powerful rifle derived from US Army weaponry is going on sale to civilians amid ongoing gun control debates, report says
https://www.businessinsider.com/gun-sold-to-civilians-sig-sauer-mcx-spear-2022-7
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Re: SIG MCX Spear
« Reply #45 on: July 28, 2022, 08:42:22 PM »

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Sig’s new rifle is more powerful, sure, but at around $4,500, you’re not likely to see a bunch in criminals’ hands anytime soon.
Did the price come down to $4500?  I thought it was $8000.
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Re: SIG MCX Spear
« Reply #46 on: September 19, 2022, 10:07:08 AM »

5.56 "version"

New SIG MCX SPEAR LT rifle in 5.56 for civilian market! The little brother to the Sig M5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUeJUU0bRFs
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Re: SIG MCX Spear
« Reply #47 on: September 19, 2022, 10:14:10 AM »

Garand Thumb released a video on the Spear LT, and was really taken with it.  The 11.5 SBR he was playing with looked like a really nice gun.

I guess Sig is hoping to arm the units that don't get the M5 with this little carbine.

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Re: SIG MCX Spear
« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2022, 10:21:22 AM »

I like the idea of the 7.62x39 version.  $2500 is a lot of money.  If that street price came in lower, I can almost see trying to get one.  If the prices end up being a premium over that like the Virtus, then no. 

Alternatives like the Krebs Custom CORE rifle are lightweight and handy guns and still under $2000.  Garand Thumb talked about 5.56 alternatives.  A BCM lightweight rifle is right at $1500 or so.  I think I would have to shoot a lot more than I do to need that extra capability. 

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Re: SIG MCX Spear
« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2022, 10:27:26 AM »

Garand Thumb released a video on the Spear LT, and was really taken with it.  The 11.5 SBR he was playing with looked like a really nice gun.

I guess Sig is hoping to arm the units that don't get the M5 with this little carbine.
IMO, there is no guarantee the Army will go through with arming all troops with the new rifle.  Plus, there are plenty of other military supply contracts around. 

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