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Re: USS The Sullivans sinking at pierside
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2022, 07:36:46 PM »

Straight line winds?
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Re: USS The Sullivans sinking at pierside
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2022, 07:43:46 PM »

I often view the weather on my phone. Last week - or so - it was claimed that Climate Change (gasp!) was responsible for the ship taking on water.

Apparently, (a word Iíve since forgotten, but meaning strong straight wind for an extended period) can push lake water as though a tide does, raising the water level downwind. Thatís what is sinking the Sullivan.

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Re: USS The Sullivans sinking at pierside
« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2022, 08:52:54 PM »

I was thinking egregious lack of maintenance due to gross incompetence and negligence.
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Re: USS The Sullivans sinking at pierside
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2022, 08:58:56 PM »

I often view the weather on my phone. Last week - or so - it was claimed that Climate Change (gasp!) was responsible for the ship taking on water.

Apparently, (a word Iíve since forgotten, but meaning strong straight wind for an extended period) can push lake water as though a tide does, raising the water level downwind. Thatís what is sinking the Sullivan.


But ... but ... but ... the USS The Sullivans is a ship. It's supposed to float. The water level shouldn't matter (unless, of course, there are 34 holes in the hull).

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Re: USS The Sullivans sinking at pierside
« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2022, 01:18:27 AM »

I was thinking egregious lack of maintenance due to gross incompetence and negligence no money.

The facts of the matter.

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Re: USS The Sullivans sinking at pierside
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2022, 08:19:02 AM »

Efforts to preserve the artifacts on board the ship

Despite 'considerable' damage in USS The Sullivans, Buffalo Naval Park hopes to preserve artifacts
https://buffalonews.com/news/local/despite-considerable-damage-in-uss-the-sullivans-buffalo-naval-park-hopes-to-preserve-artifacts/article_e8dd09a4-d068-11ec-8d46-eb7ff054f77f.html
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Re: USS The Sullivans sinking at pierside
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2022, 10:39:18 AM »

But ... but ... but ... the USS The Sullivans is a ship. It's supposed to float. The water level shouldn't matter (unless, of course, there are 34 holes in the hull).

Not all museum ships are floating. The Yorktown (CV-10) is sunken into the mud riverbed and has significant holes at the wind/waterline.
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Re: USS The Sullivans sinking at pierside
« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2022, 06:11:18 PM »

Not all museum ships are floating. The Yorktown (CV-10) is sunken into the mud riverbed and has significant holes at the wind/waterline.

I think I remember that the battleship Texas is similarly landlocked.

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Re: USS The Sullivans sinking at pierside
« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2022, 06:38:05 PM »

I think I remember that the battleship Texas is similarly landlocked.

In Texas' case it is welded to pilings. 

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Re: USS The Sullivans sinking at pierside
« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2022, 08:35:27 PM »

In Texas' case it is welded to pilings.

I must have it confused with another old warship. I have a fuzzy recollection of reading about a ship that had a "dockage" dredged, the ship was moved in, and then the lagoon was filled around the ship. Just read an article about the Texas, and there is a plan in progress to restore the hull and then find a new location for her.

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Re: USS The Sullivans sinking at pierside
« Reply #35 on: May 14, 2022, 08:50:39 PM »

In any case, these ships really need to go into permanent graving docks where they are out of the water while also having the sides of the hull held in place by horizontal supports.  They can't stay in the corroding environment forever.  No matter what you do it will eventually dissolve the ship's hull. 

Probably the cheapest way to do this is to coffer dam the vessels in situ, stabilize the hull with temporary shoring and then build the graving dock around them.  Some of these ships are in such a bad way that this is really the only option as they are unmovable, as in they would break up under the stresses of being moved.

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Re: USS The Sullivans sinking at pierside
« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2022, 08:58:21 PM »

The USS Batfish (SS 310) at Muskogee, OK is land locked. A couple of years ago we had historic flooding 8n the area and the Batfish was refloated in the flood waters. It damn near took off down the river. It suffered considerable damage from water incursion. Last I heard they plan to move it a few miles down the river to a better/safer location.
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Re: USS The Sullivans sinking at pierside
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2022, 03:10:12 AM »

Re the USS Constitution:

Its combat systems probably are more resistant to EMP than those on any of our other warships.

And even IBPs.  (Iron Ball Pulses.) :)

Interesting to find out that since she's still Commissioned, she's maintained in terms of seaworthiness.  I knew she was still Commissioned, I just didn't realize that the maintenance went along with it.  She probably brings in a pretty penny in admission fees, too.

Back to Topic:

Kind of a tragic story about the sinking of the Sullivan brothers' ship the USS Juneau.  They joined the Navy the January following the Pearl Harbor sneaky attack with the provision that they served together:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_brothers#History

Sad story for all the ship's survivors. The ten remaining in the water were rescued by --naturally -- a PBY*, and thus there were ten more short prayers going "Thank G-d for the PBY."

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Re: USS The Sullivans sinking at pierside
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2022, 10:02:01 AM »

In Texas' case it is welded to pilings.
The story I heard was the Texas has had flooding issues for a while and pumps were in place to keep the water under control.  The corrosion isn't just to he hull, but the support structure inside.  If they tried to dry dock the ship, it would collapse.  I believe that has been the efforts over the last year or more is to shore things up so the ship could survive the trip to the dry dock.  Last update the ship was almost ready, but the dry dock in Galveston was still getting set up and ready.  That was from February and it was supposed to be in dry dock by now.  Delays I guess.
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