tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case

[Hawkmoon]

The Federal Gun Free Schools Act- unconstitutional as it is- still exempts people with state carry permits, even to carry in a school.

True, but it also provides that states can define their own gun free school zones. That would (and does) allow states to prohibit carry or possession in schools. Some states allow carry while in your vehicle when dropping off or picking up your kids, other states absolutely prohibit possession on school grounds.

[Ben]

Looks like CA has taken things up a notch:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/06/28/the-reloads-stephen-gutowski-reports-on-huge-leak-of-gun-owners-private-info-by-california-ags-office/

[WLJ]

I'm sure it was just an accident 

[WLJ]

Looks like CA has taken things up a notch:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/06/28/the-reloads-stephen-gutowski-reports-on-huge-leak-of-gun-owners-private-info-by-california-ags-office/

Now they're calling it a "data breach"

CRPA: California "data breach" exposes personal details of concealed carry holders
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/06/28/crpa-california-data-breach-exposes-personal-details-of-concealed-carry-holders-n59835

[Hawkmoon]

Now they're calling it a "data breach"

CRPA: California "data breach" exposes personal details of concealed carry holders
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/06/28/crpa-california-data-breach-exposes-personal-details-of-concealed-carry-holders-n59835

"He who controls the language ... "

It's all in the spin.

[Angel Eyes]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/names-addresses-of-every-ccw-holder-in-california-exposed-sheriff-s-office-confirms/ar-AAYYpOn?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1263717a1e28459696263c1f77050a96

URL says it all.

[Perd Hapley]

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/06/28/law-professor-amazed-that-originalism-so-aligns-with-the-policies-of-the-republican-party/

[Ben]

I just read a reddit thread where it was claimed that the CA AG also made Firearms Safety Certificate (you need one to buy a handgun (or maybe any gun these days)) data available. While it doesn't include addresses, it contains date of birth and drivers license number, which is enough to steal identities.

[230RN]

Pardon any misunderstandings on my part, but aren't all guns, or at least hanguns, registered anyway in California?

That's the impression I get from the entertainment media anyhow, and I thought it reflected actual fact.

So why worry about concealed carry licensees being publcised?

[Perd Hapley]

Pardon any misunderstandings on my part, but aren't all guns, or at least hanguns, registered anyway in California?

That's the impression I get from the entertainment media anyhow, and I thought it reflected actual fact.

So why worry about concealed carry licensees being publcised?

That only means the government knows who they are. It's not supposed to mean that every criminal in the state gets to know.

[RocketMan]

I just read a reddit thread where it was claimed that the CA AG also made Firearms Safety Certificate (you need one to buy a handgun (or maybe any gun these days)) data available. While it doesn't include addresses, it contains date of birth and drivers license number, which is enough to steal identities.

I wonder how far back those records go?  Is there any chance your information could be compromised, Ben?

[Ben]

I wonder how far back those records go?  Is there any chance your information could be compromised, Ben?

For sure. I didn't find the link to the site until after they were caught and pulled it, so couldn't see for myself, but I'm certainly in there, albeit with old addresses. I think I only bought one pistol after the safety certificates became a requirement, but bought guns after registration became a requirement.

[MillCreek]

[MillCreek]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/30/opinion/supreme-court-guns-new-york.html

An opinion piece on how a liberal wants a gun.

[Hawkmoon]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/30/opinion/supreme-court-guns-new-york.html

An opinion piece on how a liberal wants a gun.

With friends like this, who needs enemies?

I support background checks, waiting periods, assault weapon bans and gun control proposals that make it harder for people to obtain guns. We should strive for a world in which the only people with guns would be responsible citizens trained in firearm safety who purchased their guns legally, store them safely and use them only for hunting or sport shooting, or as a last resort for personal protection. Gun owners in New York should be required to take continuing education courses in order to renew their licenses. When gun owners are improperly trained and guns are not properly stored, there is a tremendous risk of injury to themselves and others.

[WLJ]

With friends like this, who needs enemies?

I support background checks, waiting periods, assault weapon bans and gun control proposals that make it harder for people to obtain guns. We should strive for a world in which the only people with guns would be responsible citizens trained in firearm safety who purchased their guns legally, store them safely and use them only for hunting or sport shooting, or as a last resort for personal protection. Gun owners in New York should be required to take continuing education courses in order to renew their licenses. When gun owners are improperly trained and guns are not properly stored, there is a tremendous risk of injury to themselves and others.

So with licenses, training, and safe storage laws we can solve our gang banger problem

Idiots

[Ben]

I support background checks, waiting periods, assault weapon bans and gun control proposals that make it harder for people to obtain guns. We should strive for a world in which the only people with guns would be responsible citizens trained in firearm safety who purchased their guns legally, store them safely and use them only for hunting or sport shooting, or as a last resort for personal protection. Gun owners in New York should be required to take continuing education courses in order to renew their licenses. When gun owners are improperly trained and guns are not properly stored, there is a tremendous risk of injury to themselves and others.

So how would the above stop stuff like this in the writer's home city?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspect-nyc-shooting-woman-pushing-baby-stroller-upper-east-side-at-large

Note that the mayor blames the gun, not the shooter.

I also suggest continuing education for drivers. I think a mandatory in-person course once a year would be good. I mean, it's only eight hours a year to save a child's life.

[WLJ]

So how would the above stop stuff like this in the writer's home city?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspect-nyc-shooting-woman-pushing-baby-stroller-upper-east-side-at-large

Note that the mayor blames the gun, not the shooter.

The shooter probably voted for him so it can't be his fault.

[WLJ]

Got to hand it to them they're creative when to comes to trying to figure out ways around that pesty Constitution and it's evil step child the Bill of Rights.
Don't think is going to hold up in court but it is creative.

Businesses that want guns around would have to put up a sign reading, “Concealed weapons welcome here,” or words to that effect, Hochul said. “Otherwise the presumption will be in the state of New York that they are not.”

And you'll have to spend 15hr at the range
We can only do one hour at a time and the next open hour is in 2027. And it appears the trainer has called in sick that day.

The state is setting new requirements for getting a handgun permit, Hochul said, including mandating 15 hours of in-person fire range training. The legislature will also enact new rules around firearm storage in homes and vehicles, she said.

New York Dems set to defy SCOTUS with new concealed carry laws
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/06/30/new-york-dems-set-to-defy-scotus-with-new-concealed-carry-laws-n59925

[WLJ]

And that CA AG database Dox/Leak/Hack/Accident keeps getting worse and worse

The data leak from California Attorney General Rob Bonta’s office, originally reported to have been limited to the private and personal details of concealed carry permitees in the state, was far more extensive than his office first admitted.

Yesterday afternoon Bonta’s office acknowledged that in addition to the concealed carry records, which included the full names, home addresses, and drivers license numbers of all those who had applied for a concealed carry permit (not just those who were approved), other databases run by the AG’s office were also open and available to download for an unspecified amount of time this week.

On Wednesday, it was revealed that the exposures also extended to the Assault Weapon Registry, Handguns Certified for Sale, Dealer Record of Sale, Firearm Certificate Safety, and Gun Violence Restraining Order dashboards.

https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/06/30/california-ag-offices-leak-of-gun-owner-info-even-worse-than-originally-admitted-n59917

[Perd Hapley]

Those assault weapons are so dangerous, we should make sure that criminals have no problem finding out who has them, and where those people live.

[grampster]

Be good to put a 100ft wall up around Kali and NYC.

[WLJ]

Be good to put a 100ft wall up around Kali and NYC.

And NJ

New NJ gun control bills head to Murphy for signing
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/06/30/new-nj-gun-control-bills-head-to-murphy-for-signing-n59918

[Perd Hapley]

The untold truth about the gun menace.

https://youtu.be/YmyyEbvDgr8

[WLJ]

You don't need data and facts when you have the power of feelings

    Anne: Do you have numbers to show that it’s the concealed carry permit holders that are committing crimes?

    Hochul: I don’t need to have numbers. I don’t need to have a data point to say this. I know that I have a responsibility for this state to have sensible gun safety laws. pic.twitter.com/NiCp7POO88
    — Anne McCloy (@AnneMcCloyNews) June 29, 2022

Hochul Rejects Needing Data to Support Passing Strict Gun Control Measures
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2022/07/01/hochul--i-dont-need-numbers-n2609635