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Re: tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case
« Reply #50 on: June 23, 2022, 12:45:53 PM »

I was a little surprised (pleasantly) to see Roberts on the right side of the ruling.

So how long before the may-issue laws in CA, HI, NJ etc. are struck down?

Well it is "The Roberts Court"  :O

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Re: tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case
« Reply #51 on: June 23, 2022, 12:48:33 PM »

Now on to RvW  [popcorn]
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Re: tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case
« Reply #52 on: June 23, 2022, 12:57:52 PM »

I think they're crazy enough to try this

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Re: tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case
« Reply #53 on: June 23, 2022, 01:03:02 PM »

Sounds like treason.
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Re: tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case
« Reply #54 on: June 23, 2022, 01:26:01 PM »

And someone had to drag Drag Queens into this

More examples of meltdowns at
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2022/06/23/liberal-media-is-going-insane-over-supreme-court-gun-ruling-n2609214
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Re: tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case
« Reply #55 on: June 23, 2022, 01:32:10 PM »

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ny-gov-hochul-defiant-supreme-court-handgun-ruling-were-just-getting-started

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Hochul went on to state that she is "prepared to go back to muskets" through gun restrictions.

Let me know when her protective detail and the state police are all carrying muskets.
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Re: tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case
« Reply #56 on: June 23, 2022, 01:34:58 PM »

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ny-gov-hochul-defiant-supreme-court-handgun-ruling-were-just-getting-started

Let me know when her protective detail and the state police are all carrying muskets.

Pushing cannons around  :rofl:
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Re: tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case
« Reply #57 on: June 23, 2022, 01:35:31 PM »

We need Joy Behar's reaction to this. Turns out black people are not just buying guns; now blacks are writing SCOTUS opinions that let them carry guns!
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Re: tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case
« Reply #58 on: June 23, 2022, 02:02:44 PM »

Most likely NY, NJ, HI, etc will eventually pass “shall issue” laws, but they’ll make the permits hideously expensive, likely attach onerous training requirements, and quite possibly require insurance that is going to be very costly if it’s even available at all.  And if it’s not affordable (or even available) they’ll shrug and say too bad. 

Great as this ruling is, anything short of invalidating ALL permitting laws and making “constitutional carry” a nationwide standard very little will actually improve meaningfully.

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Re: tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case
« Reply #59 on: June 23, 2022, 02:08:31 PM »

I have had several democrats tell me that it's explicitly racist to make exercising a right cost money, because it disproportionately effects black and brown communities.

You're right, the'll try to make it expensive, and we need to call out their Jim Crow Poll Tax at every turn.

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Re: tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case
« Reply #60 on: June 23, 2022, 02:08:43 PM »

I was a little surprised (pleasantly) to see Roberts on the right side of the ruling.

So how long before the may-issue laws in CA, HI, NJ etc. are struck down?

While I am happy with this ruling (haven't read it yet but...) I am the eternal skeptic.
They made their ruling, now let's see them enforce it.
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Re: tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case
« Reply #61 on: June 23, 2022, 02:12:39 PM »

Most likely NY, NJ, HI, etc will eventually pass “shall issue” laws, but they’ll make the permits hideously expensive, likely attach onerous training requirements, and quite possibly require insurance that is going to be very costly if it’s even available at all.  And if it’s not affordable (or even available) they’ll shrug and say too bad. 

Great as this ruling is, anything short of invalidating ALL permitting laws and making “constitutional carry” a nationwide standard very little will actually improve meaningfully.

This is exactly what will happen. 

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Re: tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case
« Reply #62 on: June 23, 2022, 02:52:18 PM »

Most likely NY, NJ, HI, etc will eventually pass “shall issue” laws, but they’ll make the permits hideously expensive, likely attach onerous training requirements, and quite possibly require insurance that is going to be very costly if it’s even available at all.  And if it’s not affordable (or even available) they’ll shrug and say too bad. 

Great as this ruling is, anything short of invalidating ALL permitting laws and making “constitutional carry” a nationwide standard very little will actually improve meaningfully.
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Re: tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case
« Reply #63 on: June 23, 2022, 03:05:49 PM »

Some areas in CA (at least when I was still there) required psychiatric evaluation before "may issue" permit issuance. I wonder if that will become more widespread in the states who want to fight this ruling? A $1000 or so session with a shrink would certainly cut down the number of applicants. Though I'm not even sure of the legality of it even for "may issue".
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Re: tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case
« Reply #64 on: June 23, 2022, 03:15:59 PM »

Some areas in CA (at least when I was still there) required psychiatric evaluation before "may issue" permit issuance. I wonder if that will become more widespread in the states who want to fight this ruling? A $1000 or so session with a shrink would certainly cut down the number of applicants. Though I'm not even sure of the legality of it even for "may issue".
If that was the only requirement, I figure word would get around pretty quick on who to see to get cleared.  Or some enterprising pro-gun person would get certified to do the evaluation.
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Re: tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case
« Reply #66 on: June 23, 2022, 03:27:45 PM »

Most likely NY, NJ, HI, etc will eventually pass “shall issue” laws, but they’ll make the permits hideously expensive, likely attach onerous training requirements, and quite possibly require insurance that is going to be very costly if it’s even available at all.  And if it’s not affordable (or even available) they’ll shrug and say too bad. 

Great as this ruling is, anything short of invalidating ALL permitting laws and making “constitutional carry” a nationwide standard very little will actually improve meaningfully.

Some of you need to allow yourselves a little happiness. Those states are already doing that. This ruling will make it easier to challenge them, and force change. If Illinois can be forced to allow carry (after McDonald), it ought to be possible elsewhere.

We've been winning the carry fight for decades - just takes longer in the more backward states.
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Re: tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case
« Reply #67 on: June 23, 2022, 03:33:47 PM »

So NY could just require an in person 3 credit hour college class as a requirement for a carry permit. Only taught m-f at 8am at one college/university in the state.
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Re: tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case
« Reply #68 on: June 23, 2022, 03:38:21 PM »

So NY could just require an in person 3 credit hour college class as a requirement for a carry permit. Only taught m-f at 8am at one college/university in the state.

Tuition:  $10,000.
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Re: tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case
« Reply #69 on: June 23, 2022, 03:58:10 PM »

 I’m not a legal scholar.

Watched the Armed Scholar and this may be a really big deal.

They changed the scrutiny guidelines for the gun laws. Specifically stated that only one test. Second amendment wording historical context and common practice and then full stop.

No additional scrutiny.

Based on what I have heard this could be a basis for challenge to NFA.

The Armed Scholar dude who never gets excited almost let out a holy *expletive deleted*it moment.

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Re: tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case
« Reply #70 on: June 23, 2022, 04:00:21 PM »

^realistically, probably not. This decision has a lot to say about means end scrutiny and the 2A, and none of it lends itself to states getting away with those kind of games.

They could try, but they'll be sued and risk an even more plainly worded decision.

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Re: tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case
« Reply #72 on: June 23, 2022, 05:21:47 PM »

I have just learned that it is Clarence Thomas's birthday. (He wrote the decision.)
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Re: tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case
« Reply #73 on: June 23, 2022, 05:46:07 PM »

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/nothing-changes-today-lawless-nyc-mayor-eric-adams-promises-ignore-supreme-court-ruling-concealed-gun-laws/

This is the crappy part. There are no personal consequences for elected officials ignoring the ruling. The city/state will do as they damn well please and the peasantry be damned. They will get taken to court again and the trials and hearings will drag on for years with the government being funded by the taxpayer and the plaintiff paying our of pocket and donations. Meanwhile rights will be infringed and too damn bad for those that have their rights violated.
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Re: tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case
« Reply #74 on: June 23, 2022, 06:38:07 PM »

So NY could just require an in person 3 credit hour college class as a requirement for a carry permit. Only taught m-f at 8am at one college/university in the state.

Limited to 1 enrollee per session.  Only offered once a year.

And the instructor is out sick.
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