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UPS cuts off gun parts retailers
« on: July 01, 2022, 05:47:51 PM »

Hope no one has any gun parts currently in shipment by UPS.
My guess if a retailer sold "ghost" gun parts in any form they're on the target list.

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United Parcel Service is terminating the accounts of gun dealers across the country. Any packages currently in the UPS system may be “seized and destroyed.”

In a letter sent to one Florida gun dealer, Ghost Firearms, UPS said they were terminating the account because they “may be violating” laws concerning homemade firearm parts.

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Retail giant Brownells told their customers in a Facebook post Friday that they too were terminated by UPS

“Heads up! UPS has made the decision to no longer accept Brownells packages,” the post states. “We are working to put an email together to send to customers who have their account defaulted to UPS, or who have open orders with UPS selected as the carrier.”.

BREAKING: UPS Cuts Off Gun Parts Retailers for Selling ‘Ghost Guns,’ Threatens to Seize and Destroys In-Transit Packages
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/breaking-ups-cuts-off-gun-retailers-for-selling-ghost-guns-threatens-to-seize-and-destroys-in-transit-packages/
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Re: UPS cuts off gun parts retailers
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2022, 05:51:56 PM »

Seizing and destroying legal items already bought and paid for, and doing so as a provider of interstate shipping (i.e. interstate commerce)? Wow, no legal liability there at all.

In addition to the potential ICC and RICO violations, some states also have treble damages clauses. This will quickly get nasty.

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Re: UPS cuts off gun parts retailers
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2022, 05:53:52 PM »

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Re: UPS cuts off gun parts retailers
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2022, 05:58:27 PM »

 "to unauthorized locations"
I would think the retailers were taking care of that issue on their own already.

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Re: UPS cuts off gun parts retailers
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2022, 05:59:38 PM »

Holy crap. Cutting off people like Brownell's goes far beyond "ghost gun" parts. There must have been some communication between UPS and fed.gov for this to happen.
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Re: UPS cuts off gun parts retailers
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2022, 06:04:34 PM »

"Violating applicable laws" Seriously?

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Dear UPS, please state the applicable law being violated.

Please note, "law" and "regulation" are not synonymous. Any reply must reference in its entirety the relevant and/or applicable local, state, or federal statute. References to a government agency's determination not directly associated with and backed in strict stated provision by statute law are irrelevant and will be subject to immediate and aggressive legal challenge.

Also, please note that [STATE NAME] is a Treble Damages state. Any monetary losses to our organization will be aggressively pursued under this provision. Monetary losses include, but are not limited to, property loss, legal fees, and actual professional expenses associated with related actions, .

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Re: UPS cuts off gun parts retailers
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2022, 06:07:01 PM »

Holy crap. Cutting off people like Brownell's goes far beyond "ghost gun" parts. There must have been some communication between UPS and fed.gov for this to happen.

That's what I'm thinking.  The current administration is full of sacks of excrement that would happily do something like this.
Maybe the recent SCOTUS 2A ruling pissed someone off.
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Re: UPS cuts off gun parts retailers
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2022, 06:07:29 PM »

Holy crap. Cutting off people like Brownell's goes far beyond "ghost gun" parts. There must have been some communication between UPS and fed.gov for this to happen.

From a couple a days ago

New York City sues companies over sales of unfinished firearms **Update** State files seperate suit
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/06/29/new-york-city-sues-companies-over-sales-of-unfinished-firearms-n59870

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The businesses named in Attorney General James’ lawsuit are among the nation’s leading gun distributors. They include Brownells, Inc. (Brownells), Blackhawk Manufacturing Group (80 Percent Arms), Salvo Technologies, Inc. (80 P Builder or 80P Freedom Co), G.S. Performance, LLC (Glockstore), Indie Guns, LLC (Indie Guns), Primary Arms, LLC (Primary Arms), Arm or Ally, LLC (Arm or Ally), Rainier Arms, LLC (Rainier Arms), KM Tactical LLC, and Rock Slide USA, LLC (Rock Slide).
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Re: UPS cuts off gun parts retailers
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2022, 06:12:22 PM »

Any bets on how long UPS takes to stop handling anything firearm related?
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Re: UPS cuts off gun parts retailers
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2022, 06:14:50 PM »

Any bets on how long UPS takes to stop handling anything firearm related?

It's certainly a vulnerable back door. USPS would be easy for them, and already restricts a bunch of gun stuff. Then Fedex and then what?

"Ghost gun parts" are mostly the same parts in any old gun. Their (the gov and their anti-gun allies) definition is nebulous.
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Re: UPS cuts off gun parts retailers
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2022, 06:26:08 PM »

Can someone post the law they are basing this on?
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Re: UPS cuts off gun parts retailers
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2022, 06:34:24 PM »

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Re: UPS cuts off gun parts retailers
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2022, 06:47:09 PM »

Buy stock in DHL.

DHL's final point of service is the USPS most of the time, most especially in rural areas. They are also a kraut company, so will likely fold like a cheap suit if the ATF comes a knockin'.
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Re: UPS cuts off gun parts retailers
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2022, 06:48:27 PM »

My guess is that they have someone on their legal team who told them that they could end up being party to a lawsuit if someone gets shot by something that they delivered.
 
Or stabbed. Or bludgeoned. Or blowed up. Or runned over.
 
Oh, wait...
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Re: UPS cuts off gun parts retailers
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2022, 10:42:35 PM »

IANAL, but their threat to "seize and destroy" packages in transit to multiple states from multiple shippers sounds very much like a criminal conspiracy to commit interstate felony theft.

RICO charges against the CEO and board of directors, anyone? (What's the statute of limitations? Merrick Garland won't be AG forever.)
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Re: UPS cuts off gun parts retailers
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2022, 10:44:36 PM »

IANAL, but their threat to "seize and destroy" packages in transit to multiple states from multiple shippers sounds very much like a criminal conspiracy to commit interstate felony theft.

RICO charges against the CEO and board of directors, anyone? (What's the statute of limitations? Merrick Garland won't be AG forever.)

Not like Brandon's DOJ will even look at it.
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Re: UPS cuts off gun parts retailers
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2022, 11:23:08 PM »

My guess is that they have someone on their legal team who told them that they could end up being party to a lawsuit if someone gets shot by something that they delivered.
 
Or stabbed. Or bludgeoned. Or blowed up. Or runned over.
 
Oh, wait...
I am thinking someone told them they might be held liable for delivering "firearms". 

Personally, I am surprised UPS wouldn't tell them to pound sand or at least push back a lot.  They don't know what is in any of the packages they deliver.  Allowing the govt or anyone to force them to self regulate more than they already do just makes their business more complicated. 

I wonder if we will find out more about the source of this pretty soon. 
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Re: UPS cuts off gun parts retailers
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2022, 11:25:48 PM »

Not like Brandon's DOJ will even look at it.

They probably nudged them into doing it
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Re: UPS cuts off gun parts retailers
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2022, 11:45:59 PM »

I sense a great business opportunity for someone near Brownells to set up a company that just picks up packages from Brownells, puts their own labels on them, and ships them via UPS.

"Martha's Quilting Supplies" has a nice ring to it ...

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Re: UPS cuts off gun parts retailers
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I sense a great business opportunity for someone near Brownells to set up a company that just picks up packages from Brownells, puts their own labels on them, and ships them via UPS.

"Martha's Quilting Supplies" has a nice ring to it ...

Sounds like an additional layer of unnecessary cost.

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Re: UPS cuts off gun parts retailers
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Might start a niche market for quilting bee hearing protection.
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