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Author Topic: Being reported the Supreme Court has voted to strike down Roe v. Wade  (Read 4228 times)

MechAg94

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Do any of you think Amber Heard had anything to do with the leak?  This has effectively taken that trial off the news headlines.   =D :laugh:   Probably not.
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On the other side, I wondered if someone might be trying to affect the election, but this opinion should have been issued by this summer so it would come out before the election anyway.  I can't see why this would be leaked except to 1) influence a Justice to change their vote, or 2) just someone foolish who talks too much and leaked an old draft. 
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I think it would have more advantageous for the dems for the leak to have occurred right before the election giving less time for emotions to subside
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Do any of you think Amber Heard had anything to do with the leak?  This has effectively taken that trial off the news headlines.   =D :laugh:   Probably not.

Even knocked Ukraine off the front page on BBCnews.com
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To be honest, given the emotions surrounding the subject, I'd not at all be surprised if this leak was at the behest, or at least with the blessing of, one of the liberals on the court.

To add to this, an important point to consider, IMO, is that this is really not about Roe v Wade and abortion, but any subject "X" that creates high emotions, and the integrity of the SC and its ability to operate in a trusted manner.

While it's very early, emotions are high, and the MSM needs hyperbolic stories, it's interesting to see that  secondary fallout from this is the news suddenly going from "Republicans steamrolling the 2022 elections" to a potential dem comeback, specifically because of abortion. Kinda makes you want to put on the tinfoil and think about all the potential players, in and out of the SC.

Edit: I see several posts mentioned elections as I was typing. :)
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Oh, apropos of absolutely nothing, I see that insurrections are patriotic again.
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This could also be the Dems "October Surprise".  Even if not planned that way, it will still have an affect on the mid-terms, likely giving the Dems a boost.
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I think it would have more advantageous for the dems for the leak to have occurred right before the election giving less time for emotions to subside
I am thinking that also.  For election effects, it would have been better to wait for the actual decision to come out.  May is pretty early for an election surprise.  All the primaries aren't even over.

The only thing I can imagine is if the final draft is more watered down and someone wanted to leak an earlier draft.  That doesn't make as much sense.
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I am thinking that also.  For election effects, it would have been better to wait for the actual decision to come out.  May is pretty early for an election surprise.  All the primaries aren't even over.

I suppose an Occam's razor is that if the leaker is anything like the woke, Ivy League 20-somethings we always see interviewed for their "bright, young opinion", he or she likely wasn't thinking strategically.
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This was posted an hour or two, if I got the times right, before the "leak" hit the news.

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A message to Amazon staff said that the firm will pay up to $4,000 (£3,201) in travel expenses each year for treatments not available nearby.

Several other companies have announced plans that ensure staff have access to abortions.

Amazon will pay US staff travel expenses for abortions and other treatments
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61301911
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Expect attempts on right leaning justices lives
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Has a sitting Justice ever been removed from the bench?

If the leak is tied to a SCOTUS staffer, there could be several administrative layers between them and a Justice. Heads will roll, but it's unlikely a particular Justice will suffer any ill PR due to the separation. Unless, of course, someone could prove collusion.

If it's an intern, that's Justice-specific. I would expect any Justice in that situation to immediately and proactively lower the proverbial boom, and in the harshest way possible. Even if the Justice isn't actively complicit, not taking action implicates them in the scandal. It also evidences a lack of respect for SCOTUS sanctity and objective jurisprudence, an unfathomable attitude for a sitting Justice.

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I thought an SC Justice or any federal judge would have be removed via impeachment proceedings. 
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Amit Jain, the intern for Sotomayor who's name is being bandied about as a potential leak source, appears to have some history of left wing-ism and a previous association with the reporter who broke the story. Interesting, yes, but still circumstantial, and then only barely. Anything else on background besides the stuff currently making social media rounds?

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Amit Jain, the intern for Sotomayor who's name is being bandied about as a potential leak source, appears to have some history of left wing-ism and a previous association with the reporter who broke the story. Interesting, yes, but still circumstantial, and then only barely. Anything else on background besides the stuff currently making social media rounds?

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I'm not gonna call it on him at this point either, but even if innocent of this, his history should have been easily found in his background investigation and he should have never been given a job in the SC.
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Uggggh an abortion war, that's just what we need in 2022.

Maybe stirring up that old controversy will keep the public's mind off the fact that their standard of living is declining.

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I hope Roe v. Wade is struck down.

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Unbiased MSM:

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Seriously, shout out to whoever the hero was within the Supreme Court who said “*expletive deleted*ck it! Let’s burn this place down.”
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Uggggh an abortion war, that's just what we need in 2022.

Why not?  We've had almost everything else this year, and it's only May.
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Even knocked Ukraine off the front page on BBCnews.com

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I'm not saying Russians, but Russians did it.

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Especially since they escalated their attack on Mariupol overnight.



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That repetition by one Justice that no right is absolute always irked me.  While it is technically accurate (incarceration, execution, e.g.), it opens wide the door to limitless abrogation of all rights.  Any and all whose "common sense" says we should all become moon-worshipers can shout that phrase in support of their position.

Ben is going to call this ridiculous, but look at the full implications of "no right is absolute" as stated by a Supreme Court Justice.

You can't think "community standards" on this one.
At some point, you have think:  My rights may not be absolute, but a Supreme Court Judge should understand that no one (including themselves) should be deciding what limits should be placed on them.  That is what makes them 'rights' rather than a privilege.
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Has a sitting Justice ever been removed from the bench?

No.  Only 1 has had impeachment proceedings, but was not convicted and removed.  That was Samuel Chase in 1805.

Abe Fortas resigned from SCOTUS in 1969 under threat of impeachment.

William O Douglas had 2 impeachment attempts made (1953 and 1970) but none were successful.

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Two things of note here
One the doc has been verified as authentic by Roberts but does NOT represents a decision by the SC or any final position of any member.
Two An investigation is being launched

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    BREAKING: Chief Justice John Roberts has directed the marshal of the Supreme Court to launch an investigation into the source of the leaked draft opinion overturning Roe v. Wade, which Roberts verified as an authentic document pic.twitter.com/vcq4lTY7bk

    — John Kruzel (@johnkruzel) May 3, 2022

BREAKING: Chief Justice John Roberts directs marshal of the Supreme Court to launch investigation into SCOTUS leak of now-verified draft
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/05/03/breaking-chief-justice-john-roberts-directs-marshal-of-the-supreme-court-to-launch-investigation-into-scotus-leak-of-now-verified-draft/
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On further thought, if this is a real leak, I think an appropriate punishment should be life in prison.

I'm not sure there's a statute that clearly applies for even a slap on the wrist, let alone real prison time. This stuff isn't classified.

It used to be that we got into genuine debates about whether you’re more of a conservative or a moderate. We used to debate over ideology. And now it is how far you can go down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories. And if you’re unwilling to do it, it doesn’t matter if you’re pro-life, if you’ve never voted for a tax increase. It doesn’t matter. It’s all about going deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole, unfortunately.
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