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[Perd Hapley]

RKL just kinda hit what my fear is

Because honestly, on either issue, I could see a DA trying to push such a prosecution as a grandstand.

You're afraid they'll go after someone that's falsely accused, or someone that's guilty?

[RoadKingLarry]

You're afraid they'll go after someone that's falsely accused, or someone that's guilty?

So you'd be OK with a jurisdiction prosecuting someone that committed an act that is not a crime where the act was committed but is a crime where the prosecution occurs?
In oklahoma it is illegal to hunt alligators. If I travel to Louisiana and hunted and killed an alligator following all applicable state and federal laws in that jurisdiction should Oklahoma be able to prosecute me when I return home?

[Ben]

So you'd be OK with a jurisdiction prosecuting someone that committed an act that is not a crime where the act was committed but is a crime where the prosecution occurs?
In oklahoma it is illegal to hunt alligators. If I travel to Louisiana and hunted and killed an alligator following all applicable state and federal laws in that jurisdiction should Oklahoma be able to prosecute me when I return home?

While not a legal action, this is a pretty good example that happened around ten years ago:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2012/08/08/california-wildlife-official-replaced-after-killing-mountain-lion-in-idaho/

A CA wildlife official came to Idaho to legally hunt mountain lions and was then forced to resign from his state position because CA doesn't allow lion hunting.

[cordex]

Heinous, vile, and backward as I find abortion to be, I don't like the idea of one state enforcing their laws on someone who was in another state with different laws.  I think that's a legitimate place for the Federal government to step in.  That said, I'll withhold my personal moral panic for when a DA actually starts going after a woman for killing her baby in a state in which it is legal to do so, or when a state law authorizing such a prosecution becomes a serious possibility.

This particular argument strikes me as similar to the feigned concern by pro-abortion advocates about cases of rape or incest.  That is to say, the extreme edge case (and in this case entirely speculative) Motte used whenever there is pushback on the much less palatable Bailey of wanting women to be able to kill their baby for any reason at any time.

[Ben]

Just heard on Fox Business. Overturned.

[WLJ]

[sumpnz]

That’s a nice birthday present!!

[MillCreek]

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/roe-wade-abortion-supreme-court-ruling/index.html

[Angel Eyes]

Riots commence in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

[Ben]

Riots commence in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

You mean "peaceful protests supported by the White House".

[Ben]

I thought this was a great analogy:

This "federal ban on abortion" is as much a ban on abortion as overturning the national 55 mph speed limit was a ban on speed limits.

[Ben]

Also, for this and the New York decision, thank you President Donald Trump.

[kgbsquirrel]

Also, for this and the New York decision, thank you President Donald Trump.

+1

[Perd Hapley]

So you'd be OK with a jurisdiction prosecuting someone that committed an act that is not a crime where the act was committed but is a crime where the prosecution occurs?
In oklahoma it is illegal to hunt alligators. If I travel to Louisiana and hunted and killed an alligator following all applicable state and federal laws in that jurisdiction should Oklahoma be able to prosecute me when I return home?

I didn't say that, but are you OK with someone murdering their kid and getting away with it?

[Bogie]

They're the ones who are gonna have to live with it on their consciences. I don't wish to support it - financially, or otherwise.

[RoadKingLarry]

I didn't say that, but are you OK with someone murdering their kid and getting away with it?

I certainly don't agree with the concept of abortion as birth control however it is a fact, that as abhorrent as it is, abortion is currently legal on a federal level and will be controlled by the states as is appropriate. If you think it would be appropriate to prosecute a woman for travelling from her state of residence, where she is legally barred from getting an abortion to a state where it is legally allowed then my previous example is just as valid.
The only solution to satisfy your concern is to enact a federal law banning abortion.

[WLJ]

6-3 again

[WLJ]

The stupid is strong with this one and it's the kind of stupid that gets people killed.

    Go to the home of every Supreme Court justice who just voted to kill women. Let them know how you feel

    — Cameron Kasky (@cameron_kasky) June 24, 2022

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/06/24/parkland-shooting-survivor-cameron-kasky-urges-followers-to-go-to-the-home-of-every-supreme-court-justice-who-just-voted-to-kill-women/

[kgbsquirrel]

On crossing state lines....

Would it be okay to take a two year old child into another state or nation where it is legal to kill them, do so, and then return without them?

No, because the child has the inalienable right to life, same as the unborn child.

[cordex]

On crossing state lines....

Would it be okay to take a two year old child into another state or nation where it is legal to kill them, do so, and then return without them?

No, because the child has the inalienable right to life, same as the unborn child.

If you take your own child across state lines and kill them, it is not up to your home state to prosecute the murder.  Rather, it is up to the state with jurisdiction where the crime (or non-crime) was committed.

[Perd Hapley]

The only solution to satisfy your concern is to enact a federal law banning abortion.

I can almost agree with that. Just have to replace "satisfy your concerns" with "have laws that defend basic human rights, like the right not to be knocked off by your own mother."

There's a lot of pearl-clutching going on over what looks like a relatively minor issue, compared to the whole child-murdering thing.

[kgbsquirrel]

If you take your own child across state lines and kill them, it is not up to your home state to prosecute the murder.  Rather, it is up to the state with jurisdiction where the crime (or non-crime) was committed.

Doesn't the child have a basic expectation of not being transported for the purposes of rights deprivation (being killed)?

[Pb]

If you take your own child across state lines and kill them, it is not up to your home state to prosecute the murder.  Rather, it is up to the state with jurisdiction where the crime (or non-crime) was committed.

There are already federal laws banning citizens from leaving the USA, travelling to places where child rape is legal, and raping children there.

It is called extraterritorial jurisdiction.  It is a real thing.

https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-federal-law-extraterritorial-sexual-exploitation-children

[WLJ]

    In 1982 Joe Biden proposes a constitutional amendment that would overturn Roe v. Wade and allow states to choose their own policies on abortion.https://t.co/5aFcpaATGo

    — David Harsanyi (@davidharsanyi) June 24, 2022

    In 1994, Biden brags that he has voted against abortion funding on 50 separate occasions. He voted for partial birth abortion bans twice.https://t.co/XiVbeBM32x

    — David Harsanyi (@davidharsanyi) June 24, 2022

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/06/24/oof-thats-gotta-sting-thread-shows-democrats-elected-the-most-pro-life-democrat-maybe-ever-when-they-elected-biden/

[cordex]

Doesn't the child have a basic expectation of not being transported for the purposes of rights deprivation (being killed)?

You're addressing a different point altogether, and simultaneously falling into a pro-abortion trap.

There are already federal laws banning citizens from leaving the USA, travelling to places where child rape is legal, and raping children there.

Take it up with Article III of the the US Constitution my good man.