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Re: Being reported the Supreme Court has voted to strike down Roe v. Wade
« Reply #625 on: July 12, 2022, 04:31:12 PM »
The letter from HHS provides some examples, such as ectopic pregnancy, miscarriage, or pre-eclampsia.  I have not yet talked to my ED or OBG staff, but I doubt if we see many such cases coming in through the ED, and miscarriage would be the most common.

https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/emergency-medical-care-letter-to-health-care-providers.pdf

Even the most extreme pro-lifers that I’ve ever heard don’t call treating an ectopic pregnancy an abortion.  Even though fetal death is a certain outcome.  Because the primary purpose is to save the woman (and her future fertility), not to kill the baby.  There have been an infinitesimal number of pregnancies outside the uterus that have resulted in live birth, but I’m unaware of any that occur in the Fallopian tube surviving to even anything close to viability.  Ectopic is technically any pregnancy not in the uterus, in the tube is just the most common variant.  An embryo can implant in the abdomen outside the tubes, and once in a blue moon those babies survive to be born, but it’s super high risk.

Pre-eclampsia is typically not a feature in pregnancy before 20 weeks and is often treatable for quite a while.  It would a pretty rare case of pre-eclampsia that became life threatening in spite of typical treatment before the baby is viable.  It’s not terribly uncommon to need to end the pregnancy before full term but this does not necessitate killing the baby.  Premature birth, sure.  But killing the baby is basically never an absolute necessity to treating pre-eclampsia.  I’m sure there’s a case somewhere that has occurred that killing the baby was actually necessary, but that’s an extreme outlier.

A miscarriage may very well require a D&C.  But that is also not an abortion (never mind the medical terminology of a miscarriage being a “spontaneous abortion”).  It might involve removing the remains of the fetus, but said fetus is already dead from natural causes in that case. 

I have yet to hear of a case where killing the baby as the primary goal is medically necessary, with no feasible alternative treatment.

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Re: Being reported the Supreme Court has voted to strike down Roe v. Wade
« Reply #626 on: July 12, 2022, 04:52:47 PM »
I really hope some doctors don't try to use that stuff as an excuse to perform abortions.  It is just going to create a mess and probably trigger legislatures to add layers of reporting/bureaucracy to stop it.  It will still probably happen. 
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Re: Being reported the Supreme Court has voted to strike down Roe v. Wade
« Reply #627 on: July 12, 2022, 07:22:12 PM »
Pro-Abortion Group Threatens Southern States with ‘Floating Abortion Clinic’ in Gulf of Mexico
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/07/10/pro-abortion-group-threatens-southern-states-with-floating-abortion-clinic-in-gulf-of-mexico/
They are going to keep trying.  The "crazy Christians" some people seem to be worried about have nothing on these leftists. 

That would be a long way from any hospital, if things go wrong.

I guess it's OK if Californians and New Yorkers keep their ARs and non-approved handguns on barges at sea?
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Re: Being reported the Supreme Court has voted to strike down Roe v. Wade
« Reply #628 on: July 12, 2022, 07:30:06 PM »
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Re: Being reported the Supreme Court has voted to strike down Roe v. Wade
« Reply #630 on: July 12, 2022, 07:49:08 PM »
I recall APS members complaining it was misleading to call abortion victims children or babies.

I doubt they were using the same "reasoning"
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Re: Being reported the Supreme Court has voted to strike down Roe v. Wade
« Reply #631 on: July 12, 2022, 07:55:37 PM »
I doubt they were using the same "reasoning"

I wouldn't be so sure about that.
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Re: Being reported the Supreme Court has voted to strike down Roe v. Wade
« Reply #632 on: July 12, 2022, 11:32:06 PM »
That would be a long way from any hospital, if things go wrong.

I guess it's OK if Californians and New Yorkers keep their ARs and non-approved handguns on barges at sea?
My prediction would be if it happened, the conditions aboard the ship would be pretty bad.  I predict it would be done cheaply with too low of a budget and become a mess. 

Does anyone know if there are international law type regulations on anything that might be considered a hospital ship performing medical procedures? 
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Re: Being reported the Supreme Court has voted to strike down Roe v. Wade
« Reply #633 on: July 13, 2022, 06:43:41 AM »
Little known fact:

Even in international waters a ship and it's crew are bound by the laws of the flag they are sailing under. Countries that dislike what a ship is doing under their flag can and do revoke the registration of the ship. (See: Sea Shepherds)

I assume these idiots will start by taking their Bayliner 13 miles out, then be arrested for breaking any number of US laws regarding medical treatment.

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Re: Being reported the Supreme Court has voted to strike down Roe v. Wade
« Reply #634 on: July 13, 2022, 09:31:12 AM »
Little known fact:

Even in international waters a ship and it's crew are bound by the laws of the flag they are sailing under. Countries that dislike what a ship is doing under their flag can and do revoke the registration of the ship. (See: Sea Shepherds)

I assume these idiots will start by taking their Bayliner 13 miles out, then be arrested for breaking any number of US laws regarding medical treatment.

Search for "Flags of Convenience."

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Re: Being reported the Supreme Court has voted to strike down Roe v. Wade
« Reply #635 on: July 13, 2022, 01:36:31 PM »
There is already an abortion ship that travels around killing children off the coasts of countries that ban abortion, such as in much of South America.

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« Reply #636 on: July 13, 2022, 01:37:48 PM »
Search for "Flags of Convenience."

I am very familiar with the subject, I was just pointing out that it's more complicated than the wokies probably think.

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Re: Being reported the Supreme Court has voted to strike down Roe v. Wade
« Reply #637 on: July 13, 2022, 05:19:57 PM »
They arrested a guy for raping that 10 year old girl.

Gershon Fuentes, a ‘believed to be undocumented’ immigrant, arrested for the rape of a 10-year-old Ohio girl who traveled to Indiana for an abortion
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/07/13/gershon-fuentes-a-believed-to-be-undocumented-immigrant-arrested-for-the-rape-of-a-10-year-old-ohio-girl-who-traveled-to-indiana-for-an-abortion/
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Re: Being reported the Supreme Court has voted to strike down Roe v. Wade
« Reply #638 on: July 13, 2022, 05:49:23 PM »
"Abortion is self-love."

Seems like a really bad take as something you put in the "pro" column.



https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/07/13/abortion-storyteller-tells-congress-that-her-abortion-was-an-act-of-self-love/
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Re: Being reported the Supreme Court has voted to strike down Roe v. Wade
« Reply #639 on: July 13, 2022, 06:49:12 PM »
They arrested a guy for raping that 10 year old girl.

Gershon Fuentes, a ‘believed to be undocumented’ immigrant, arrested for the rape of a 10-year-old Ohio girl who traveled to Indiana for an abortion
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/07/13/gershon-fuentes-a-believed-to-be-undocumented-immigrant-arrested-for-the-rape-of-a-10-year-old-ohio-girl-who-traveled-to-indiana-for-an-abortion/

I just read an article about this in the Columbus newspaper, and it was not specified how he had access to the girl, who would have been nine years old at the time of the rape.  Was he a stranger, friend of the family, boyfriend to the mother or what, I wonder.
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Re: Being reported the Supreme Court has voted to strike down Roe v. Wade
« Reply #640 on: July 13, 2022, 06:52:06 PM »
I'll add to that and ask if it was a medical referral that sent her to another state?
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Re: Being reported the Supreme Court has voted to strike down Roe v. Wade
« Reply #641 on: July 13, 2022, 07:53:39 PM »
We'll see if this pans out. I'm not ready to believe the girl exists.
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Re: Being reported the Supreme Court has voted to strike down Roe v. Wade
« Reply #642 on: July 14, 2022, 10:34:38 AM »
AOC is not done.
She is so determined to make it all about her.

KARMA?! AOC tweeting dramatically about being harassed on the Capitol steps after MOCKING Kavanaugh for being harassed BACKFIRES
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/07/14/karma-aoc-tweeting-dramatically-about-being-harassed-on-the-capitol-steps-after-mocking-kavanaugh-for-being-harassed-backfires/

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« Reply #643 on: July 14, 2022, 11:53:55 AM »
those conservatives won't stop trying to date her
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Re: Being reported the Supreme Court has voted to strike down Roe v. Wade
« Reply #645 on: July 14, 2022, 05:08:21 PM »
She's digging herself into quite a deep hypocrisy hole.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/07/14/aoc-calls-out-core-security-breakdowns-at-the-capitol-which-is-not-a-place-that-is-designed-to-protect-women/
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Has anyone seen any proof of this happening?
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« Reply #646 on: July 14, 2022, 05:09:08 PM »
She's digging herself into quite a deep hypocrisy hole.


Not sure how that matters. She can do whatever she wants at this point. Even if she loses her seat, she's set for life. She's queen of the breakfast tacos. 

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Yeah, cuz all that security only benefits the men, somehow. Only wise Latinxses understand how, until she explains it to us.
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« Reply #647 on: July 14, 2022, 05:13:26 PM »
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Has anyone seen any proof of this happening?

I don't doubt she spends a lot of time at bars and restaurants. Probably really enjoys herself. So, yeah, she probably encounters people who've been drinking, and decide to give her a piece of their minds.

What I find amusing is that she's accusing "them" of "sending" these people after her.  =D  Sure, doll.
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« Reply #648 on: July 14, 2022, 05:18:21 PM »
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Ocasio-Cortez told reporters her office had to call Capitol Police five times “to get them to ask for this person’s information.”

“They and many of these people were sassing our office back, asking us why we want this information,” she said. “This is not about us having this information. This is about mitigating a threat. And, you know, we have to keep ourselves safe here because certain people will be safe, but not all of us are safe.”

Them cops are sassing her!

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Yeah, sorry, if you want to be a public figure, be prepared for the public to take a picture if they see you in public. But somehow this is worse than showing up to someone's private property and home to assassinate them.
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Re: Being reported the Supreme Court has voted to strike down Roe v. Wade
« Reply #649 on: July 14, 2022, 08:54:31 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/c/AlexStein99/videos

Here is the youtube channel for Alex Stein who was "harassing" AOC.  He is a pretty funny guy.  A number of his older videos are him dressing up and trolling city council meetings. 

This is the AOC video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R67tpqSjeE

He had some "Arts and Crafts" Antifa types protesting one of his comedy shows and he comes out and does a video with them. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNncw0yHwPI

He was less polite with Adam Kinzinger. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_NmMq1ojjA
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