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Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« on: May 14, 2022, 06:04:28 PM »
Man reportedly with a rifle and body armor open fire in a Buffalo grocery
At least 10 being reported dead.
Reported the man was live streaming.
They're already tossing around the term racially motivated since the grocery is in a predominately black neighborhood

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BREAKING: At Least 10 Dead After Gunman Opens Fire in Buffalo Grocery Store
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/breaking-at-least-10-dead-after-gunman-opens-fire-in-buffalo-grocery-store/
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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2022, 06:07:54 PM »
Teenager reported in custody

New York police respond to 'mass shooting' at Buffalo grocery store, 'multiple people' shot
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-police-mass-shooting-buffalo-grocery-store
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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2022, 06:11:16 PM »
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Gramaglia said that an 18-year-old White male allegedly committed the shooting and was live-streaming it online.
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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2022, 06:13:25 PM »
Cue the race baiters
Cue the calls for gun control.
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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2022, 06:16:15 PM »
Well, thank goodness it couldn't have been an "assault weapon" type rifle, since those uber-deadly machines of mass destruction aren't allowed in the Empire State.
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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2022, 06:20:49 PM »
Seeing a name being tossed around is that he is white nationalist.

Also this

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🚨Graphic video 🚨 Man arrested in military uniform after mass shooting at Tops Supermarket in Buffalo, New York
https://twitter.com/breakingryan1/status/1525553714081280001

Also he supposedly put out a Manifesto https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/mass-shooting-at-buffalo-supermarket/

If that is it yikes. The MSM is going to have a field day.
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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2022, 06:43:20 PM »
Just in time for a supreme court case on the New York pistol permitting process.  How convenient.

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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2022, 06:49:27 PM »
Reported Bushmaster XM-15
That was way quicker than usual
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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2022, 06:51:57 PM »
Apparently some already know who to blame :facepalm:
What is it now with the left and Tucker Carlson?

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    The Buffalo killer’s manifesto reads like a job application for a junior producer on Tucker Carlson.

    And no, I’m not being flippant.

    — Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) May 14, 2022
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    A real feather in @TuckerCarlson’s cap. https://t.co/uQzQpMmqNQ

    — FreshMouthHat (@Popehat) May 14, 2022
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    More blood on the hands of @tuckercarlson and @foxnews this killer used their racist talking points to justify killing 10 people. Carlson won't stop because as he explained to the NYTimes, it's good for ratings. Lives be damned. As Carlson will be at judgement day. https://t.co/fse5bRvEbN

    — Joe Lockhart (@joelockhart) May 14, 2022
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/05/14/self-described-white-supremacist-kills-at-least-10-in-mass-shooting-in-buffalo-while-streaming-on-twitch/
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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2022, 06:54:08 PM »
Also, an 18 year old doing this just days after the calif ruling on 18 year olds and guns, and antis saying this will happen. You really don't even need tinfoil these days
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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2022, 07:04:51 PM »
Wonder if the Ministry of Misinformation is going to try to shut down 4chan and others mentioned in the manifesto.

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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2022, 08:01:54 PM »
How more convenient: Bill H.R.350 almost certainly going to pass now because of this shooting and it just so happens to create a task force to purge the military of "white supremacist and neo-nazi infiltration of the uniformed services and federal law enforcement agencies."


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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2022, 08:28:13 PM »
I don't know that anything would come of it, but I wonder if they'll try and push legislation to ban civilian body armor? If he was in fact actually wearing any as reported. All too often somebody has a vest or an empty carrier, and they call it armor.
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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2022, 08:33:13 PM »
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    When the shooter exited his vehicle, he shot four people in the parking lot, BPD Commissioner Joesph Gramaglia said during a press conference. Three of them died and one is in the hospital. The shooter entered the store and opened fire on customers.

    A retired Buffalo Police officer, who was working as a security guard, shot the gunman, but the 18-year-old was unharmed because he was wearing armor, Gramaglia said. The gunman shot a killed the retired officer.

    A law enforcement source told CBS News that the gunman had a racial slur written on his weapon.

    Erie County District Attorney John Flynn will not confirm the existence of the shooter’s manifesto. He said they believe there was a “racial component” to the attack but won’t say more.

    This attack is being investigated by the FBI as a hate crime and as violent extremism.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/rebeccadowns/2022/05/14/at-least-10-dead-after-shooting-takes-place-at-grocery-store-in-upstate-new-york-n2607263
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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2022, 08:41:04 PM »
Seeing a name being tossed around is that he is white nationalist.

Also this
https://twitter.com/breakingryan1/status/1525553714081280001

Also he supposedly put out a Manifesto https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/mass-shooting-at-buffalo-supermarket/

If that is it yikes. The MSM is going to have a field day.

Whew!

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I was never diagnosed with a mental disability or disorder, and I believe to be perfectly sane.

FAIL! Failure to have been diagnosed does not equate to the absence of a disorder. Perfectly sane people do not kill random other people in supermarkets.
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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2022, 10:08:16 PM »
For some reason my initial thought goes to false  flag and set up by the left.
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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2022, 10:28:27 PM »
Mrgunsngear posted this video on Instagram.  A man interviewed on Fox News talking about people needed to take charge of things themselves. 
https://www.instagram.com/tv/Cdj7RbqPSkb/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

This photo is a capture from the video the guy was taking.  Looks like an AR, but I don't know what kind. 
https://www.instagram.com/p/CdjXRneOwUS/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link



He had a cut of the video the guy posted, but stopped before he started shooting.  I guess that was taken down.
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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2022, 07:47:20 AM »
That looks like a straight up M16A2 upper.  Haven't seen that in a while.

Any word on .mil connections?  The *expletive deleted*it will truly hit the fan if he stole that from an arms room somewhere.

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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2022, 07:53:12 AM »
That looks like a straight up M16A2 upper.  Haven't seen that in a while.

Any word on .mil connections?  The *expletive deleted*it will truly hit the fan if he stole that from an arms room somewhere.

I think there is a lot of "misinformation" to use the popular term, floating around. If his manifesto is not fake, this is what he says:



Also, more tinfoil from Ben, but why would he buy a firearm "made during the assault weapons ban" from a gun store? A lot of the language in that manifesto sure mentions a lot of anti-gun talking points.
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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2022, 07:58:54 AM »
Also, this was interesting. The story claims that the security officer shot the nutcase multiple times "but the bullets were deflected by body armor". Seems like multiple COM hits into armor would make someone at least temporarily non-effective. I'd be more inclined to believe that he shot and missed.

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When Gendron entered the store, Salter, who worked as a security guard at the store, shot him with his firearm multiple times. However, the gunman was wearing armored plating that deflected the bullets. Gendron then fatally shot Salter.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/retired-cop-killed-buffalo-shooting-hailed-hero-local-police
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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2022, 09:49:53 AM »
Also, this was interesting. The story claims that the security officer shot the nutcase multiple times "but the bullets were deflected by body armor". Seems like multiple COM hits into armor would make someone at least temporarily non-effective. I'd be more inclined to believe that he shot and missed.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/retired-cop-killed-buffalo-shooting-hailed-hero-local-police
That is a fair point.  Body armor typically protects only a fairly small portion of the body at the straight on angle.  Maybe he fired several times, but only hit him in the armor?  I guess will see once more information is released. 

The steel plate armor from ar500armor.com could probably absorb hits without affecting the wearer too much, but I am not going to volunteer for testing.
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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2022, 10:25:02 AM »
Alright, murdering 10 people is one thing, but I draw the line at racism. That's bad.
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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2022, 10:33:01 AM »
The steel plate armor from ar500armor.com could probably absorb hits without affecting the wearer too much, but I am not going to volunteer for testing.

I might have a biased sampling set, but the only videos I've seen of guys letting themselves be shot in armor show guys who are at the very least temporarily incapacitated. Maybe there is some military documentation showing that guys getting shot in the armor can still be immediately combat effective? Of course they are trained, and this kid was not.
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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2022, 10:35:18 AM »
Alright, murdering 10 people is one thing, but I draw the line at racism. That's bad.

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Re: Buffalo Grocery Store Shooting
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2022, 10:35:38 AM »
I might have a biased sampling set, but the only videos I've seen of guys letting themselves be shot in armor show guys who are at the very least temporarily incapacitated. Maybe there is some military documentation showing that guys getting shot in the armor can still be immediately combat effective? Of course they are trained, and this kid was not.

Hard armor should have a soft backer to help protect the wearing from the impact.  I'm betting most people don't wear soft armor or pads under their hard armor.
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