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Why the Phillipines have almost no mass shootings
« on: June 19, 2022, 07:37:33 PM »

https://time.com/6186982/philippines-guns-mass-shootings/

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Re: Why the Phillipines have almost no mass shootings
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2022, 07:50:22 PM »

It's the food. Everyone is happy.
Sometimes we carry more weight then we owe.
And sometimes goes on and on and on.

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Re: Why the Phillipines have almost no mass shootings
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2022, 08:55:34 PM »

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and there are estimated to be some four million firearms in the nation of 110 million people.

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Re: Why the Phillipines have almost no mass shootings
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2022, 09:20:32 PM »

It is my understanding that mass shootings used to be rare as well in the USA, even in periods when the overall murder rate was not so good.  I suspect it may be due to a similar reason.  The USA used to have a much more socially conservative, with a strong pressure to conform in your behavior, and subsequent respect for authority.  I recall reading about a man discussing youth being drafted to fight in WW2.  He said everyone he knew accepted it unquestioningly.  My own grandfather was deaf in one ear.  He cheated during his hearing exam so he would be accepted into the military after being drafted.  He said no one would have respected him if he had not gone, even though he was not too happy about being drafted.

There were a few school murders (Bath school disaster was horrific) but they were very rare, as in a couple spread out over decades.

When all these factors dissolve in society, you get more nihilistic violence of this type.

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Re: Why the Phillipines have almost no mass shootings
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2022, 09:24:30 PM »

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Philipinos do love guns, and are one of the few Asian cultures that have a strong gun culture.  Some phillipinos own machineguns; here is an interesting thread about it. 

https://ar15armory.com/forums/topic/24099-ar15-ownership-in-the-philippines/

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Re: Why the Phillipines have almost no mass shootings
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2022, 09:29:35 PM »

It is my understanding that mass shootings used to be rare as well in the USA, even in periods when the overall murder rate was not so good.  I suspect it may be due to a similar reason.  The USA used to have a much more socially conservative, with a strong pressure to conform in your behavior, and subsequent respect for authority.  I recall reading about a man discussing youth being drafted to fight in WW2.  He said everyone he knew accepted it unquestioningly.  My own grandfather was deaf in one ear.  He cheated during his hearing exam so he would be accepted into the military after being drafted.  He said no one would have respected him if he had not gone, even though he was not too happy about being drafted.

There were a few school murders (Bath school disaster was horrific) but they were very rare, as in a couple spread out over decades.

When all these factors dissolve in society, you get more nihilistic violence of this type.

It's a lot simpler than that; we have mass shootings (especially church and school shootings) because the media and the politicians make the shooter into a folk hero, and all the other crazies and losers think, "I could do that!" and make my life (death) mean something.  By politicians, I mean the push to "do something" every time an event like this occurs.  That feeds into the notoriety.  Why quietly off yourself when you can go down infamy and affect policy for years to come by taking a dozen or so innocents with you?

I think the media knows this, but they deliberately play into it because it still sells, and because they are evil.  Politicians may be evil too, but mostly they are just stupid.
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Re: Why the Phillipines have almost no mass shootings
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2022, 09:30:39 PM »

That too.

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Re: Why the Phillipines have almost no mass shootings
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2022, 09:31:52 PM »

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Re: Why the Phillipines have almost no mass shootings
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2022, 09:33:53 PM »

Instead they get bombings, shootings, and beheadings from the oh so peaceful religion of Islam.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_Philippines

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Re: Why the Phillipines have almost no mass shootings
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2022, 09:46:50 PM »

Who needs guns when you have knives and machetes?

By definition, a school shooting involves shooting -- with guns. Expand that to school massacres and you get ...

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October 22, 2010: Talisayan Elementary School, Zamboanga City, Philippines. A 51-year-old ex-convict fatally stabbed a 12-year-old girl, a teacher, and a 64-year-old man at Talisayan Elementary School in Talisayan village. He also wounded four other children and two teachers, some of them seriously, before he could be subdued by villagers.

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Re: Why the Phillipines have almost no mass shootings
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2022, 10:31:52 PM »

We have a lot of mass shootings and school shootings, right? A lot more than a short time ago, right?
 
They changed the definitions.
 
Now, if Sumdood does a drive-by and shoots up Somothadood's house party, because reasons, that's a mass shooting. And if he is near a school, that's a school shooting.
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Re: Why the Phillipines have almost no mass shootings
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2022, 01:42:40 AM »

Society as a whole is robust, but all aspects of society are fragile. A small change can cause large effects, like how a beetle walking on a sand dune can cause a little cascade of sand. It's the essence of the conservative viewpoint that the world is chaotic and society is complicated, so making changes is always risky. So an uptick in mass shootings doesn't have to be a complicated reason.

On the whole, mass shootings (by the non-spun definition) are still rare but I do believe they are increasing. Any small perturbation in society can cause a shift this big.

It could simply be removing tobacco. A generation or two ago, nearly everyone used tobacco. Now tobacco has been removed, but not really removed, it's substituted by mass amounts of sugar. Psychological impact of this drastic change, on a societal level? Unknown and unknowable (there's no control group).

It could be the phones. You could say social media, but I think the actual carrying of connected devices 24/4 is a bigger factor in terms of disrupting natural dopamine mechanisms. What if you changed this for an entire society? What would happen? Probably big things. Would you ever know? Nope...no control group.

It could be something environmental. We all know the sad and tragic history of leaded gasoline. We had to poison a whole generation of children until big oil couldn't paper over the research any longer to cover up what had been known for 50 years. It's widely accepted that crime has dropped as a result of removing the lead. If removing lead can drop crime, what other chemicals could increase it? What if it's something more subtle than lead? The science and mechanism of lead was dead simple and obvious, but big oil still covered it up for decades. What if it's something a little less obvious or simple this time? Maybe it's the bottled water.

Maybe it's the continued destruction of the basis of society being Christian morals and strong families. Wow there's a simple theory. It's almost like you could actually test this by checking how many mass shooters come from environments with strong basis in Christianity and strong healthy family ties. Somebody should look into that, there might be a clue there.

I understand the mass shooting phenomenon as a phenomenon of men, especially young men. What has changed for young men in our society (hint: basically everything). What if you completely changed the game for a generation of young men in terms of their prospects for a normal relationship with a woman? What if you convinced a whole generation of women that they didn't need men; what would the men do?

It could be the internet porn. Most anti-porn people approach it from a religious prohibition angle. Everyone else is thinks it's good to be sex-positive and masturbation is healthy because that's what they heard. In the meantime porn use has gone up drastically, age of porn use is down drastically, types of porn consumed have changed drastically, and effects of this on the body and brain are unstudied...there's no control group. My generation were just getting dial-up internet when we were in puberty, so we are the last unimpacted generation no not be exposed to large amounts of internet porn during puberty. I personally fear that a whole generation of young men are not just going to have a hard time getting off in a healthy way, but I'm talking way beyond sex, their brains might end up totally wacked, popping ssris like diabetics need insulin, just to function. I really think that in secular society's desire to be sex positive, they are overlooking how much sex and non-sex brain chemistry are related and how big of a deal this is for potentially everyone. Almost like there was a psychobiological basis for those silly religious prohibitions afterall.

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Re: Why the Phillipines have almost no mass shootings
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2022, 07:13:27 AM »

It's the food. Everyone is happy.

God knows that a big plateful of Lumpia and Pancit calms me right down.
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Re: Why the Phillipines have almost no mass shootings
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2022, 11:21:41 AM »

Some nice crispy lumpia is hard to beat. Most of them I know are very family centric and go to church more than once a week.
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Re: Why the Phillipines have almost no mass shootings
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2022, 11:31:19 AM »

God knows that a big plateful of Lumpia and Pancit calms me right down.

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Re: Why the Phillipines have almost no mass shootings
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2022, 12:52:43 PM »

There are a LOT of very angry young men out there, and if you asked them why they are angry, they'd have a hard time telling you... except...
 
With a lot of them, it seems to be race. But this is something I say at least once a week to Sumdood who is giving me the deathstare...
 
"Look - you have to replace the brake caliper. It's right here.  You also need this $7 bottle of brake fluid. That is not me trying to sell you something you don't need. The brake caliper runs on that, and you're going to have to bleed the brakes to remove air from the system when you undo the hoses. Look at google. Look at youtube. Ask your buddy who is going to help you."

And they're still sure that the old white guy is trying to get something over on them. Because that is what they have been taught.
 
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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2022, 07:14:02 PM »

There are a LOT of very angry young men out there, and if you asked them why they are angry, they'd have a hard time telling you... except...
 
With a lot of them, it seems to be race.

I suspect there are a lot of young white men enraged at white men being blamed for everything.

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Re: Why the Phillipines have almost no mass shootings
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2022, 09:56:07 AM »

God knows that a big plateful of Lumpia and Pancit calms me right down.

The West coast Navy had a heavy presence of Filipinos in the administrative and food service ranks. A good Filipino mess cook is a damn good cook.
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Re: Why the Phillipines have almost no mass shootings
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2022, 10:03:34 AM »

The West coast Navy had a heavy presence of Filipinos in the administrative and food service ranks. A good Filipino mess cook is a damn good cook.

I was on a couple of cruises where the cook was Filipino. I spent a lot of time "writing SITREPS" in the wardroom.  =D

I could barely understand one of them, but he made me gain like 7lbs in two weeks.  :laugh:
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Re: Why the Phillipines have almost no mass shootings
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2022, 10:53:47 AM »

I worked for Navy Federal Credit Union from 1995 or so to December 1998.

We had a HUGE number of Philippinos working for the CU and the food that they brought in for celebrations like Phillippino Independence Day, Navy Day, etc., was absolutely incredible.
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Re: Why the Phillipines have almost no mass shootings
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2022, 11:01:40 AM »

Maybe it's because they still for the most part maintain strong family ideas and bonds and their education system isn't teaching their children to hate their their parents, reject any idea of morals, and to be entitled spoiled brats who hate their country.
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Re: Why the Phillipines have almost no mass shootings
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2022, 11:46:20 AM »

Something I've also noticed is that all the Filipinos I have known, which coincidentally were all fed.gov workers of one kind or another, put the most patriotic natural born US citizens to shame. They are just incredibly patriotic. One girl that I worked with who was a first generation American, considered herself a liberal, but she was still just incredibly pro-USA.

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Re: Why the Phillipines have almost no mass shootings
« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2022, 12:00:26 PM »

^^^There is a reason why so many Filipinos want to come here.  Back when I was in high school and first started working at the local Catholic hospital, probably 70% of the nursing staff was Filipino along with a number of the medical staff.  At the time, the Philippines had a couple of nursing and medical schools that were considered First World quality.  I don't know about now.
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