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Re: Idiot that decided to pay all employees 70K a year? Reality has its say
« Reply #150 on: December 03, 2015, 12:00:00 PM »
How dare he pay all his employees enough not to be desperate or live in squalor.

Everyone knows that markets and Christianity demand a certain level of poverty.  If he wants to go around paying people money, he should move somewhere backwards where everyone hates their quality of life, like Norway or Finland, with their foolish pay systems.

I lived just fine at 36k only a few years ago. it's called living within your goddamn means
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Re: Idiot that decided to pay all employees 70K a year? Reality has its say
« Reply #151 on: December 03, 2015, 12:28:58 PM »
I lived just fine at 36k only a few years ago. it's called living within your goddamn means

Truth.

So my car is a POS, and I spend a couple hundred a quarter on parts and a weekend tearing it apart to put the parts in.  My house is a rented garage apartment with 525sf of main living area and a 525sf workshop.  I don't have cable or a big screen.  I don't need a big house or a fancy car to be happy.

One of the reasons I love to hear from my friend who's on a mission in Chile is that she's learning to recognize what's really important in life; she writes of meeting happy families with 6-8 people living in a one room house the size of her bathroom back home, and coming to an understanding that they're really better off than most of the people we know here who have a lot more stuff.  Many of them poop in a hole in the back yard and wipe with leaves, but they don't argue about money.  They walk 4-5 miles to catch a bus into the city from time to time.  They have a roof over their heads, 1800-2400 calories a day and a family that cares, and they're thankful for that instead of looking for ways to "get ahead."  They work, and what they earn goes to the essentials and then to something special for the family.  Occasionally, they borrow for medical expenses or to send a kid to school, but the idea of going into debt for luxuries is utterly foolish to them.  Many of us could learn a lot from people we consider too poor to be happy.

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Re: Idiot that decided to pay all employees 70K a year? Reality has its say
« Reply #152 on: December 03, 2015, 04:38:19 PM »
http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2015-gravity-ceo-dan-price/

Article alleges he was retaliating and/or reacting to a lawsuit from his partner suing him for grossly overpaying himself. The wage hike was just publicity or possibly a way to drop profits even further.

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Price announced his magnanimous act a month after his brother sued him for, in essence, being greedy....

In a follow-up interview in mid-November, I pressed Price about the inconsistency. How could what he told me about being served two weeks after announcing the raise be true when the court records indicated otherwise?

“Umm, I’m not, I have to look,” he said.

The court document, I said, definitely says March 16.
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Didn't he also cut his own pay at the same time (IIRC, it was to either to $1 per year or the same $70k as his employees).   So it looks like an attempt to ward off/provide a defense to the lawsuit.





I have been saying this for years. Not so much in the IT realm, thought it could apply, but with cops. Don't like the people applying to be cops at 30k a year (local cop shop starting wage)? Then kick it up to 35 or 40, that should drastically increase the quality of applicants, even bring in people looking to switch careers, and it will allow the agency to be more selective in their psych profiling.


Actually, no.  Most people who become cops aren't doing it for the money.  It's like a calling.  They've wanted to be cops since they were kids. I know, I met a lot of them when I on Active Duty.  They all had the same plan.  (In fact I often wondered if they taught recruiters to pitch "The Plan" to any kid they met that said they wanted to be a cop.)

"The Plan":

Most cop shops required (at the time) that you be at least 21 and have either some college or an Associates Degree in Criminal Justice, before you could even take the test.

So what to do when you are 18, want to be a cop, but can't swing college?  Join the Army as an MP.

You get:

Four years of Law Enforcement experience.*
You can take college classes while serving and if you are diligent you could get an Associates Degree in those 4 years.
You get the Veteran's Preference Points on whatever Civil Service/Police Academy test they make you take.  So if you do halfway decent, you're at or near the top of the hiring list. 
Plus you now have the GI bill so you can complete your BS degree.



*- YMMV, we were Direct Support so, we spent A LOT of time in field doing combat stuff, not so much LE stuff.  But four years as an MP is 4 years as an MP.   And you have something that the "College Boys" don't have.  The Tee-shirt.  As in BTDT.   Most cop shops like experience.

Damn near every one of my existing troops and the new ones that came in over the next four years gave me the above answer when I asked them why they joined the Army and became an MP.  Not one mentioned money, they all talked about what department or agency they wanted to go to work for.
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Re: Idiot that decided to pay all employees 70K a year? Reality has its say
« Reply #153 on: December 12, 2015, 09:07:37 AM »
Slight thread veer, but it seems to me, that this is a better way to reward your employees "equally". Yes, the unskilled $30k/yr employee gets the same bonus as the skilled $100k/yr employee, but the $100k/yr employee is still making $70k/yr more in salary.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/12/hilcorp-energy-gives-100000-bonus-to-all-1381-employees/?intcmp=hpbt3

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Re: Idiot that decided to pay all employees 70K a year? Reality has its say
« Reply #154 on: December 12, 2015, 10:46:27 AM »
Actually, no.  Most people who become cops aren't doing it for the money.  It's like a calling.  They've wanted to be cops since they were kids. I know, I met a lot of them when I on Active Duty.  They all had the same plan.  (In fact I often wondered if they taught recruiters to pitch "The Plan" to any kid they met that said they wanted to be a cop.)

There are other sorts in civvie law enforcement I have known.

0. Sorta lazy, but smart enough and an OK guy.
Lots of opportunities to do good.  Also lots of opportunities to do nothing.  An above average intelligence LEO can make it work while still nabbing bad guys at a good clip.

1. Really likes to fight and put a hurting on folk.
No other occupation other than patrol that allows one to justifiably put a hurting on your fellow man from such a position of advantage...and get paid for it.  No, pro boxing doesn't come close.  And neither does military service.

2. Likely bound for a life of crime, but smart enough to know it and take steps.
Yeah, some LEOs fall prey to the ethical traps involved with their jobs.  Others are looking for them.  Everything from petty graft to LEOs working financial crimes using knowledge gleaned from the job to speculate in real estate.

3. Its a job.
'Nuff said.

4. No where else can someone of limited intellectual and moral and physical potential have so much authority over fellow men and women.
Where else can an overweight, not-so-bright gal with zero skills and qualifications lord it over so many men and women?  This sort can be seen as affimative action hires throughout gov't bureaucracies, not just law enforcement.
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Re: Idiot that decided to pay all employees 70K a year? Reality has its say
« Reply #155 on: December 21, 2015, 01:52:36 PM »
4. No where else can someone of limited intellectual and moral and physical potential have so much authority over fellow men and women.
Where else can an overweight, not-so-bright gal with zero skills and qualifications lord it over so many men and women?  This sort can be seen as affimative action hires throughout gov't bureaucracies, not just law enforcement.

We had one of those working code enforcement until she broke both of the Crown Vics they had left over, (busted the driver's seat right out of one on a bump) and somebody found a reason to roll her out the door.  Not sure what she weighed, but I had a coworker about the same height (5'2") who was 385 and both smaller and more agile than the officer.  How she even passed the "fit through the door" test is a mystery, since the back of the station doesn't have double doors.

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Re: Idiot that decided to pay all employees 70K a year? Reality has its say
« Reply #156 on: December 21, 2015, 05:57:44 PM »
Slight thread veer, but it seems to me, that this is a better way to reward your employees "equally". Yes, the unskilled $30k/yr employee gets the same bonus as the skilled $100k/yr employee, but the $100k/yr employee is still making $70k/yr more in salary.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/12/hilcorp-energy-gives-100000-bonus-to-all-1381-employees/?intcmp=hpbt3



Still a *expletive deleted*it idea.   As I have always done, I'm going to pay employees the lower of what I think they are worth, or what they are willing to accept when accepting employment, and then provide bonuses based on what I can pay metered out by their achievements above and beyond (same with raises).  Literally -any- other method is crap in my opinion.
Want more $? Ask.  If I cant, I'll say so and say why.  If I wont, I'll say so, and say why.   I am totally willing to also make a deal...you prove X to get Y? Totally acceptable if agreed upon. If that bothers you, say you will leave.  I'll Either reconsider can't/won't, or show you the door.  But what I don't want is people who are staying, but want more, but are unwilling to ask, or prove that they are worth more.

It's not what you -deserve- because as far as I am concerned, deserving something means I owe you something.  It's what we can agree that you are worth...what you are willing to accept to do X, and what I feel X is worth.  If those are different, then either I'll learn and have to pay more to get X, or you will not have a job and either find someone else who will pay more for X, or pay the same for <X.

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Re: Idiot that decided to pay all employees 70K a year? Reality has its say
« Reply #157 on: December 21, 2015, 06:08:41 PM »
Still a *expletive deleted*it idea.  

Oh, I agree. I just think it's a better alternative than what the OP guy did, but still far from ideal, since (to me at least) a bonus should be predominately based on performance.

Though it looks like this company just had a really great year and wanted to give out dough, more as a gift than as a true bonus, so in that case it doesn't seem too unfair to give everyone the same amount. Heck for all we know, they may have given out performance bonuses plus this cash on top.
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The article talks about other companies that were "inspired" to drastically raise wages, as Gravity did. I don't understand that at all. Without government intervention; without unions being involved, management is voluntarily giving their employees more money? A lot more money? How can this be?
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Re: Idiot that decided to pay all employees 70K a year? Reality has its say
« Reply #161 on: July 09, 2016, 02:24:47 PM »
Gravity wins in the end.

Doesn't it always? :D


I'm still waiting to see if people will admit that he's a pretty smart businessman.
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Re: Idiot that decided to pay all employees 70K a year? Reality has its say
« Reply #162 on: July 10, 2016, 02:27:03 PM »
Doesn't it always? :D


I'm still waiting to see if people will admit that he's a pretty smart businessman.

Well, his PR stunt worked to help him avoid responsibility for his prior malfeasance so I guess that is pretty clever. He's smart in a Hillary kind of way.
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Re: Idiot that decided to pay all employees 70K a year? Reality has its say
« Reply #163 on: July 11, 2016, 12:31:11 AM »
Doesn't it always? :D


I'm still waiting to see if people will admit that he's a pretty smart businessman.
From what I heard previously, the business was doing well, his move disrupted things quite a bit both with customers and with payroll.  He seemed to be coming out of it okay, but I would hardly call that smart.  If he was smart, he could have done something close or similar, caused less disruption, and still gotten the publicity. 
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Re: Idiot that decided to pay all employees 70K a year? Reality has its say
« Reply #165 on: August 23, 2022, 01:39:46 PM »
I prefer to say he was accused of male feminism.

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Re: Idiot that decided to pay all employees 70K a year? Reality has its say
« Reply #166 on: August 24, 2022, 07:09:08 AM »
Progressive socialist politics, big supporter of liberal causes...

Yeah, it most mostly consensual sex...

And besides, he didn't have malicious intent.

So all's good.
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