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New FBI "Domestic Terrorist" Documentation
« on: August 04, 2022, 05:08:55 PM »

Project Veritas got a whistleblower leak of some of the latest FBI "Militia Violent Extremism" symbols and groups. Note that most of us are extremists according to these FOUO documents.

https://www.projectveritas.com/news/fbi-whistleblower-leaks-bureaus-domestic-terrorism-symbols-guide-on-militia/

A bunch of the Youtube guys just dropped videos on it today. I saw that Mike Glover did as well, as he was specifically mentioned in the document as an extremist. He runs American Contingency. It's one of several of his sites, but his whole deal is about emergency preparedness, emergency medical training, and self defense.  He's currently hiring a lawyer.

https://youtu.be/p4JBDcN7YFo
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Re: New FBI "Domestic Terrorist" Documentation
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2022, 05:11:42 PM »

Ted Cruz took a bit of offense as well. Cruz clip begins at 0:53.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owz7_1d5iEM

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Re: New FBI "Domestic Terrorist" Documentation
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2022, 05:24:47 PM »

I wish Project Veritas would link full-res images of the documents they show, aside from the potato-matic versions they have in their article.
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Re: New FBI "Domestic Terrorist" Documentation
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2022, 05:31:26 PM »

Meanwhile ANIFA is just an idea
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Re: New FBI "Domestic Terrorist" Documentation
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2022, 05:52:57 PM »

It has long been my firm belief that if I'm not on at least half a dozen government lists I ain't living right.
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Re: New FBI "Domestic Terrorist" Documentation
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2022, 07:50:00 PM »

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Re: New FBI "Domestic Terrorist" Documentation
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2022, 07:53:43 PM »

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Re: New FBI "Domestic Terrorist" Documentation
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2022, 07:45:45 AM »

Waiting for JBT to knock on the door because I have a Don’t Tread on Me sticker on my truck and Flag flying below th US Flag on my flag pole. 

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Re: New FBI "Domestic Terrorist" Documentation
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2022, 07:58:16 AM »

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The use or sharing of these symbols alone should not independently be considered evidence of MVE pretense or affiliation or serve as an indicator of illegal activity, as many individuals use these symbols for their original, historic meaning,  or other non-violent purposes.

So, let's say for example you were looking for folks that were actually planning on political violence against the left during the mid terms.  Not the neo nazi, white nationalist groups, that's a different flyer, but violence minded groups that consider themselves Americans.  Those groups do exist.  What would you tell your folks to look for?

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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2022, 08:27:34 AM »

So, let's say for example you were looking for folks that were actually planning on political violence against the left during the mid terms.  Not the neo nazi, white nationalist groups, that's a different flyer, but violence minded groups that consider themselves Americans.  Those groups do exist.  What would you tell your folks to look for?

The major problem is that BLM flags, Anarchist flags, antifa flags, antifa, black panthers, la raza, or any of the following groups are conspicuously missing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Left-wing_militant_groups_in_the_United_States

I never see FBI lists of these groups, and if they were leaked, I would have expected the MSM to immediately have picked up on the documents so that their "journalists" could start screaming "profiling".

Also, I guess explain how Mike Glover runs a "violence minded" group.
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Re: New FBI "Domestic Terrorist" Documentation
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2022, 08:52:28 AM »

So, let's say for example you were looking for folks that were actually planning on political violence against the left during the mid terms.  Not the neo nazi, white nationalist groups, that's a different flyer, but violence minded groups that consider themselves Americans.  Those groups do exist.  What would you tell your folks to look for?
I am wondering if a whole bunch of FBI agents are going to roll into Gonzales, TX and take over.  The "extremism" there goes back a ways also.

https://texasproud.com/texas-battle-of-gonzales/

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Re: New FBI "Domestic Terrorist" Documentation
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2022, 08:54:01 AM »

So, let's say for example you were looking for folks that were actually planning on political violence against the left during the mid terms.  Not the neo nazi, white nationalist groups, that's a different flyer, but violence minded groups that consider themselves Americans.  Those groups do exist.  What would you tell your folks to look for?
I think my concern would be groups that were advocating, you know, political violence.  Not the symbolism they share with people not advocating political violence.  Focusing on symbols venerated by both dangerous extremists and regular blokes alike seems specifically engineered to broaden the net and paint with as broad a brush as possible.  This flyer strikes me as in the same spirit as one that says: "Scary, evil terrorists believe there is one god and Mohammed is his prophet."

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Re: New FBI "Domestic Terrorist" Documentation
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2022, 09:00:35 AM »

The major problem is that BLM flags, Anarchist flags, antifa flags, antifa, black panthers, la raza, or any of the following groups are conspicuously missing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Left-wing_militant_groups_in_the_United_States

I never see FBI lists of these groups, and if they were leaked, I would have expected the MSM to immediately have picked up on the documents so that their "journalists" could start screaming "profiling".

Also, I guess explain how Mike Glover runs a "violence minded" group.
The absurdness of the left wing groups being left off is getting way beyond the point of sanity.  A couple years ago, I would have said the FBI and other federal groups need to be cleaned up.  Now, I am fast getting to the point where they need to just be dissolved completely.  Fire everyone and cut all their funding.  I really doubt they are accomplishing much we would like. 

I thought I heard someone say Trump was talking about cutting all their funding by 50%.  Good start.  Not sure it is far enough.  If he or Desantis wins in 2024, they need top put someone in charge who will just start cleaning house.  Anything less is just unacceptable. 
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Re: New FBI "Domestic Terrorist" Documentation
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2022, 09:01:59 AM »

As dogmush mentioned about the Nazis, I'm sure the is a separate flyer for leftist terrorists.

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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2022, 09:04:43 AM »

This flyer strikes me as in the same spirit as one that says: "Scary, evil terrorists believe there is one god and Mohammed is his prophet."

That's a really good way to describe it.

The FBI and the US govt in general, are being "extremist" in their lists. I found this interesting international website that seems to be somewhat unbiased in their methodology. Under US groups, they list both Patriot Front and Jane's Revenge. I'd like to see what would happen if the US govt listed Jane's Revenge as an extremist group. So far the White House PR dept seems to be calling them "non-violent protestors".

https://www.counterextremism.com/
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Re: New FBI "Domestic Terrorist" Documentation
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2022, 09:13:32 AM »

So, let's say for example you were looking for folks that were actually planning on political violence against the left during the mid terms.  Not the neo nazi, white nationalist groups, that's a different flyer, but violence minded groups that consider themselves Americans.  Those groups do exist.  What would you tell your folks to look for?
Do those groups exist?  Who are they?  Have they actually done anything?
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Re: New FBI "Domestic Terrorist" Documentation
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2022, 09:14:51 AM »

As dogmush mentioned about the Nazis, I'm sure the is a separate flyer for leftist terrorists.
The flyer makes no mention of right or left.  The only reason I can think of to separate them is if your goal is to create more division.  Certainly possible.
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« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2022, 09:16:36 AM »

As dogmush mentioned about the Nazis, I'm sure the is a separate flyer for leftist terrorists.

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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2022, 09:26:07 AM »

The flyer makes no mention of right or left.  The only reason I can think of to separate them is if your goal is to foment division and anti-govt opinions as if that will drive groups over the edge.

This is kinda my viewpoint, and I will admit that I have bias. The flagpole outside my house has a US and Gadsden flag. I wear a lot of "2nd Amendment" t-shirts and hats, as well as Gadsden related shirts and hats.

I am not an extremist, I just appreciate the founding philosophy of my country and am proud of it, especially as a first generation American. Yet when the United States government spreads information* that people having or wearing things related to our founding or the constitution, the populace is not going to differentiate between people like me and the most radical neo-nazis that happen to also have some Gadsden related symbiology. I will be identified as an extremist simply because extremists happen to have some symbols that I also have.


* It doesn't matter that this stuff was labeled FOUO or LE Sensitive. It's all unclassified information that they knew would make it into the public domain, and I don't think they care one bit regarding how it will be interpreted, at least from their "right wing" lists. They seem to be very sensitive to how "left wing extremism" might be misinterpreted, to the point that they leave left wing extremist organizations off their lists that other countries and entitites, even left-leaning, have no problem identifying as extremists.
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Re: New FBI "Domestic Terrorist" Documentation
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2022, 09:33:46 AM »

I have actually  seen the flyer for ANTIFA, and the black nationalist groups.  The flater falls under the Racially and Ethnically Motivated Violent Extremism, the former under Politically Motivated Violent Extremism.

Those flyers come out as CUI, or higher, so I'm not posting them here, you'll have to take my word that they exist (or not). If I were to hazard a guess, I'd guess that they don't get leaked (or reported on) because they won't get the rage clicks flyers like the one linked above reliably get. Or maybe they do, just not the parts of the internet I frequent.

The FBI has certainly lost some credibility and become more visibly partisan in the last couple years, and it is smart to keep a jaundice eye on any organization with that much power and weapons, but part of that eye is a realistic view of the things you're looking at. For example, American Contingency was not identified in that flyer as an extremist.  They were actually labeled mainstream.   What it said was that actual extremists may self identify with that site, which is a very different thing.

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Re: New FBI "Domestic Terrorist" Documentation
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2022, 10:13:16 AM »

If I were to hazard a guess, I'd guess that they don't get leaked (or reported on) because they won't get the rage clicks flyers like the one linked above reliably get. Or maybe they do, just not the parts of the internet I frequent.

More likely, the FBI leaks them in order to promote the identification of pro-American symbols and slogans with extremism.
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Re: New FBI "Domestic Terrorist" Documentation
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2022, 10:32:20 AM »

Those flyers come out as CUI, or higher, so I'm not posting them here, you'll have to take my word that they exist (or not).

Same here.  I almost posted a snapshot of the flyer until I seen the (CUI)/FOUO banner on it…

Wouldn’t bode well with my current clearance to do such a thing, regardless if it was in my possession or not.

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« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2022, 10:36:52 AM »

Same here.  I almost posted a snapshot of the flyer until I seen the (CUI)/FOUO banner on it…

Wouldn’t bode well with my current clearance to do such a thing, regardless if it was in my possession or not.

When the *expletive deleted*ck did you guys switch to CUI? Is it just a fancy new name for FOUO, or is it some jackawordy thing like LES that doesn't really mean anything except for fed.cops to have their own FOUO?
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« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2022, 03:12:57 PM »

Sometimes I think Seth Dillon must lurk here to see what we're talking about to get ideas for the Bee:   =D

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« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2022, 05:16:32 PM »

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The FBI has certainly lost some credibility and become more visibly partisan in the last couple years,

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"Some" credibility?
What credibility did they have left to lose in the last 20 years or really since Hoover took over?
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