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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #200 on: August 15, 2022, 02:44:16 AM »

Why would China go to war with it's biggest customer? We are dying from the inside.
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #201 on: August 15, 2022, 06:08:47 AM »

Why would China go to war with it's biggest customer? We are dying from the inside.

The bold implies the underlined will not remain constant.  At what point does America's decline make a war with us economically beneficial?
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #202 on: August 15, 2022, 08:14:19 AM »

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #203 on: August 15, 2022, 10:15:09 AM »

Why would China go to war with it's biggest customer? We are dying from the inside.
I don't know if China wants war with the US directly (they are communists so who knows).  I am more of the opinion they eventually want Taiwan back along the control of the area around them and they don't want us interfering with that. 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #204 on: August 15, 2022, 11:51:15 AM »

Why would China go to war with it's biggest customer? We are dying from the inside.

China also has its own, serious internal problems.  A good shooting war could be a beneficial distraction for their people, as well.
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #205 on: August 15, 2022, 01:04:07 PM »

I don't know if China wants war with the US directly (they are communists so who knows).  I am more of the opinion they eventually want Taiwan back along the control of the area around them and they don't want us interfering with that.

Their long term plans include Hawaii
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #206 on: August 15, 2022, 01:27:53 PM »

China also has its own, serious internal problems.  A good shooting war could be a beneficial distraction for their people, as well.

They don’t have enough people to fight us in a war.  Nor do they have the domestic energy supply.  They import 85% of their energy supply, the vast majority of that from the Persian Gulf.  The rest the mostly get from Russia via pipelines coming out of Siberia (and how long would it take for a Tomahawk to disrupt that?).  If we used our Navy to stop oil shipments to China (just announcing we’d sink any tanker entering the South or East China Sea would be enough to stop virtually all such traffic) the lights go out in China in about a month or two, and within 6 months they’re in major famine mode. 

China would lose 500k-1mil men just crossing the Taiwan Straight to invade Taiwan.  Xi is fine with that.  But they would lose exponentially more crossing the Pacific to reach our left coast.  Assuming they have troop transports that can make that crossing to begin with.  If they try to fly them over our Navy and Air Force will obliterate them in the air.  The ones that somehow make it through would have to try to survive not only our domestic based military but all the rednecks with hunting rifles and gun nuts with AR-15s.    If they seriously tried they wouldn’t have a functional population left by the time they even got close to succeeding in occupying HI, CA, OR and WA.  And that’s if we don’t retaliate by cutting off their oil imports.

That all ignores that China will have half its peak population by 2050 even if they aren’t stupid enough to try to invade us.  That’s simple demographics.  Their 1 child policy was too effective.

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #207 on: August 15, 2022, 01:33:28 PM »

They don’t have enough people to fight us in a war.  Nor do they have the domestic energy supply.  They import 85% of their energy supply, the vast majority of that from the Persian Gulf.  The rest the mostly get from Russia via pipelines coming out of Siberia (and how long would it take for a Tomahawk to disrupt that?).  If we used our Navy to stop oil shipments to China (just announcing we’d sink any tanker entering the South or East China Sea would be enough to stop virtually all such traffic) the lights go out in China in about a month or two, and within 6 months they’re in major famine mode. 


It's not just the US Navy they have to worry about. Virtually every country tankers from the ME have to make their way pass, and we talking about some very narrow choke points,  is hostile to China.
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #208 on: August 15, 2022, 01:38:18 PM »

It's not just the US Navy they have to worry about. Virtually every country tankers from the ME have to make their way pass is hostile to China

Yup.  Can’t mention everything in one post though.

I almost want to see China piss off some country like the Philippines or Australia or Vietnam enough to get wiped out by an oil blockade.

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #209 on: August 15, 2022, 02:50:06 PM »

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #210 on: August 15, 2022, 03:07:43 PM »

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #211 on: August 15, 2022, 04:35:18 PM »

They don’t have enough people to fight us in a war.  Nor do they have the domestic energy supply.  They import 85% of their energy supply, the vast majority of that from the Persian Gulf.  The rest the mostly get from Russia via pipelines coming out of Siberia (and how long would it take for a Tomahawk to disrupt that?).  If we used our Navy to stop oil shipments to China (just announcing we’d sink any tanker entering the South or East China Sea would be enough to stop virtually all such traffic) the lights go out in China in about a month or two, and within 6 months they’re in major famine mode. 

China would lose 500k-1mil men just crossing the Taiwan Straight to invade Taiwan.  Xi is fine with that.  But they would lose exponentially more crossing the Pacific to reach our left coast.  Assuming they have troop transports that can make that crossing to begin with.  If they try to fly them over our Navy and Air Force will obliterate them in the air.  The ones that somehow make it through would have to try to survive not only our domestic based military but all the rednecks with hunting rifles and gun nuts with AR-15s.    If they seriously tried they wouldn’t have a functional population left by the time they even got close to succeeding in occupying HI, CA, OR and WA.  And that’s if we don’t retaliate by cutting off their oil imports.

That all ignores that China will have half its peak population by 2050 even if they aren’t stupid enough to try to invade us.  That’s simple demographics.  Their 1 child policy was too effective.

China would have to be monumentally stupid to cross the Pacific to attack CONUS.  They simply do not have the means to attack us at home in an effective or worthwhile manner.  Of course, Commies can be monumentally stupid on occasion, but I doubt they would risk a direct attack on our home soil.
That said, I think they plan to go after Taiwan at some point.  They may lob a missile or two at Guam and/or Hawaii in the hope we might be deterred from helping Taiwan.  But I think that would just be a greater provocation, and any uncertainty on our part to defend Taiwan would evaporate.
Going after Taiwan would give them that good shooting war that I was referring to.
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #212 on: August 15, 2022, 06:55:35 PM »

I guess people really ARE this stupid.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/15/lawyer-hopes-that-joe-biden-changed-the-nuclear-codes-and-donald-trump-didnt-have-them-at-mar-a-lago/

I feel bad for anyone who hires this guy for legal services.

I've been getting aggravated reading all the ridiculous crap people (and not just randos, but the MSM, etc.) are spouting about classified material at Mar-A-Lago. Like using their movie terms of "ultra classified" and "ultraviolet purple super duper classified", but then I take a step back knowing that most people have never held a clearance and simply don't know anything about the classified world.

There's no excuse though, for being so stupid that you think former presidents walk around with current codes.
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #213 on: August 15, 2022, 07:07:34 PM »

I guess people really ARE this stupid.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/15/lawyer-hopes-that-joe-biden-changed-the-nuclear-codes-and-donald-trump-didnt-have-them-at-mar-a-lago/

I feel bad for anyone who hires this guy for legal services.

I've been getting aggravated reading all the ridiculous crap people (and not just randos, but the MSM, etc.) are spouting about classified material at Mar-A-Lago. Like using their movie terms of "ultra classified" and "ultraviolet purple super duper classified", but then I take a step back knowing that most people have never held a clearance and simply don't know anything about the classified world.

There's no excuse though, for being so stupid that you think former presidents walk around with current codes.

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1-2- huh 1-2-....2.... What were we talking about?
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #215 on: August 16, 2022, 12:35:20 AM »

They don’t have enough people to fight us in a war.  Nor do they have the domestic energy supply.  They import 85% of their energy supply, the vast majority of that from the Persian Gulf.  The rest the mostly get from Russia via pipelines coming out of Siberia (and how long would it take for a Tomahawk to disrupt that?).

That may be why the ChiComs are surging ahead of the U.S. in building nuclear power plants.  Those plants will "free up" the petroleum products they need for "elsewhere".  :facepalm:
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #216 on: August 16, 2022, 01:13:49 AM »

That may be why the ChiComs are surging ahead of the U.S. in building nuclear power plants.  Those plants will "free up" the petroleum products they need for "elsewhere".  :facepalm:

Ought to see how many hydroelectric pumped storage projects they have in the works. Commies suck but when you give not two craps about environmental damage and can disappear anyone who brings a nuisance lawsuit, well things get done.
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #217 on: August 16, 2022, 03:01:04 AM »

I guess people really ARE this stupid.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/15/lawyer-hopes-that-joe-biden-changed-the-nuclear-codes-and-donald-trump-didnt-have-them-at-mar-a-lago/

I feel bad for anyone who hires this guy for legal services.

I've been getting aggravated reading all the ridiculous crap people (and not just randos, but the MSM, etc.) are spouting about classified material at Mar-A-Lago. Like using their movie terms of "ultra classified" and "ultraviolet purple super duper classified", but then I take a step back knowing that most people have never held a clearance and simply don't know anything about the classified world.

There's no excuse though, for being so stupid that you think former presidents walk around with current codes.

The codes change daily, and are carried on the President's person on a credit card-sized cheat sheet called the "biscuit." The card contains a series of codes, including some false ones. The President has to memorize which positions on the card hold the real codes (which is problematic with Biden in the White House). The codes are useless without access to "the football," which is carried by an aide to the President.

There is no way Trump ever had a current code, from the day he left office.

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #218 on: August 16, 2022, 09:12:21 AM »

The codes change daily, and are carried on the President's person on a credit card-sized cheat sheet called the "biscuit." The card contains a series of codes, including some false ones. The President has to memorize which positions on the card hold the real codes (which is problematic with Biden in the White House). The codes are useless without access to "the football," which is carried by an aide to the President.

There is no way Trump ever had a current code, from the day he left office.

More than likely all the codes on the biscuit have been "111111111" since 1/6/20. . .
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #219 on: August 16, 2022, 10:33:54 AM »

Now the left is speculating that Trump somehow got plans for nuclear bombs and was selling them to other governments for cash!

https://drpippa.substack.com/p/clash-of-civilizations?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

From the fourth paragraph: "But, the question is coming: Did Trump sell the atom bomb to a sovereign (or sovereigns) in exchange for cash? This has yet to be seen. But it looks like it might be a real possibility."

Unbelievable.  The left must be in a panic about the raid blowing up in their face.
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #220 on: August 16, 2022, 10:39:58 AM »

FBI: We didn't take Trump's passports because we later returned them.


Amazing me, but not shocking, how many on the left are totally blind to the contradiction in that
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« Reply #221 on: August 16, 2022, 10:51:48 AM »

Passports are only taken if someone is a flight risk. Extremely unlikely in Trump's case.

This is further evidence that the FBI was wantonly grabbing whatever they could get their hands on rather than following any warrant guidelines. A box of archived records would be a strange place to store a passport. It would be like me putting my passport in my "2010-2020 tax records" box instead of in my safe. If the passports were in Trump's safe, they would have been clearly visible so should not have been touched.
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« Reply #222 on: August 16, 2022, 10:59:13 AM »

Also, DOJ was claiming that this raid was time critical and needed to be done quickly, but now we learned that Garland (who didn't know about it) was deliberating on whether to do it for weeks beforehand.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/08/16/walls-are-closing-in-but-not-on-trump-sean-davis-lays-out-how-he-knows-the-doj-is-panicking-about-their-trump-raid-in-1-spot-on-tweet/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/merrick-garland-weighed-search-of-trumps-mar-a-lago-for-weeks-11660601292
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #223 on: August 16, 2022, 11:05:06 AM »

Passports are only taken if someone is a flight risk. Extremely unlikely in Trump's case.

Some are pushing the story Trump was seeking asylum in Russia. They could have taken the passports to help pad that narrative.
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #224 on: August 16, 2022, 11:18:11 AM »

Some are pushing the story Trump was seeking asylum in Russia. They could have taken the passports to help pad that narrative.
 

If he wanted to do something like that he’d just hop in one of his bizjets and fly there.  Passports won’t matter.
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