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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #225 on: August 16, 2022, 11:19:53 AM »
If he wanted to do something like that he’d just hop in one of his bizjets and fly there.  Passports won’t matter.

The narrative need not be reality based for many to swallow it hook, line, and sinker
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #226 on: August 16, 2022, 12:29:39 PM »
The narrative need not be reality based for many to swallow hook, line, and sinker
A lot of this is coming from the leftist mouth pieces, but it goes to show how desperate they are to divert the discussion.  Really makes the entire leadership look like they are arrogant, hateful, and impatient with little ability to see the obvious consequences.  We have always tended to grant the Govt some benefit of the doubt that they are competent.  Can we still say that?  Maybe the rank and file, not the leadership. 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #227 on: August 16, 2022, 12:36:55 PM »
Also, DOJ was claiming that this raid was time critical and needed to be done quickly, but now we learned that Garland (who didn't know about it) was deliberating on whether to do it for weeks beforehand.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/08/16/walls-are-closing-in-but-not-on-trump-sean-davis-lays-out-how-he-knows-the-doj-is-panicking-about-their-trump-raid-in-1-spot-on-tweet/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/merrick-garland-weighed-search-of-trumps-mar-a-lago-for-weeks-11660601292
Maybe I should have replied to this one. 

It seems the administration has been playing CYI since this started.  As if they jumped on this with little preparation for the obvious consequences.  If he was thinking about it for weeks, I would have thought they would have prepared better.  Of course, maybe the only realistic preparation was to say no and find another way to do whatever they were looking to do.
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #228 on: August 16, 2022, 10:22:37 PM »
Federal judge sets hearing on motion to unseal Trump search warrant affidavit
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-search-warrant-affidavit-mar-a-lago-unseal-judge-florida-165507232.html

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U.S. Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart set the 1 p.m. hearing for both sides to present arguments over whether to publicly release the search warrant affidavit, court records showed on Tuesday.

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“In the interest of TRANSPARENCY, I call for the immediate release of the completely Unredacted Affidavit pertaining to this horrible and shocking BREAK-IN,” Trump wrote in a post on Truth Social, his social media platform. “Also, the Judge on this case should recuse!”

This article also pulls out the antisemitism card regarding the judge.

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #229 on: August 16, 2022, 10:27:42 PM »
Judge who authorized Mar-a-Lago search previously recused self from Trump-Clinton lawsuit
https://tennesseestar.com/2022/08/10/judge-who-authorized-mar-a-lago-search-previously-recused-self-from-trump-clinton-lawsuit/

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U.S. Magistrate Judge Bruce W. Reinhart in West Palm Beach, Fla., who was appointed in 2018, filed the recusal document on June 22, a few weeks after presiding over the start of the civil litigation. Reinhart signed the search warrant authorizing the Mar-a-Lago search on Aug. 5, court records show.

I heard someone mention this a few days ago, but didn't get a chance to look for an article.  Seems odd that he recused himself from the civil case, but then signed off on a search warrant involving the same person a short time later.  Are there any legal differences in recusal between civil and criminal proceedings?
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #230 on: August 16, 2022, 10:41:40 PM »
Everything about this is almost like it was scripted to give Trump's attorneys the absolute best possible case. The stuff we already know about is more than enough to have any decently objective judge looking sideways at it. The sudden DOJ reluctance to provide full and unredacted documentation only adds fuel to the fire, especially with Trump insisting on full transparency. I have to believe Trump is loving every moment. He couldn't have planned a better scenario. He has the DOJ & FBI right where he wants them, and has them to thank for making it happen without him having to lift a finger.

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #231 on: August 16, 2022, 10:57:01 PM »
The cynic in me is thinking that someone deliberately leaked false info to the Dims and set this up.  Trump comes out the oppressed victim and the Dim DOJ appears to be a weaponized force of the party. 

The press and many of the Dim (especially Nadler) get a viagra grade hard on for any chance to derange further on Trump.  Its a reflex now, like blood in the water to a shark.

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #232 on: August 16, 2022, 11:01:07 PM »
The cynic in me is thinking that someone deliberately leaked false info to the Dims and set this up.  Trump comes out the oppressed victim and the Dim DOJ appears to be a weaponized force of the party. 

The press and many of the Dim (especially Nadler) get a viagra grade hard on for any chance to derange further on Trump.  Its a reflex now, like blood in the water to a shark.

Republicans aren’t nearly that smart, let alone devious.

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #233 on: August 16, 2022, 11:03:01 PM »
I know the dims are evil and arrogant but I didn't credit them with this much blatant stupidity. The egregious level of bullshit coming off this story has my WTF -O-meter pegged. Are they arrogant, evil and stupid enough to go ahead and try to push this crock of shiiit through or are they at the point where they no longer care that their corruption is on full display because they know they will get away with it anyway or a combination of the two?
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #234 on: August 16, 2022, 11:22:46 PM »
I know the dims are evil and arrogant but I didn't credit them with this much blatant stupidity. The egregious level of bullshit coming off this story has my WTF -O-meter pegged. Are they arrogant, evil and stupid enough to go ahead and try to push this crock of shiiit through or are they at the point where they no longer care that their corruption is on full display because they know they will get away with it anyway or a combination of the two?

I vote for a combo of the two.  They are arrogant & evil, and they aren't afraid of getting caught since it'll blow over in a few days, weeks at most.

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #235 on: August 17, 2022, 02:05:41 AM »
Everything about this is almost like it was scripted to give Trump's attorneys the absolute best possible case. The stuff we already know about is more than enough to have any decently objective judge looking sideways at it. The sudden DOJ reluctance to provide full and unredacted documentation only adds fuel to the fire, especially with Trump insisting on full transparency. I have to believe Trump is loving every moment. He couldn't have planned a better scenario. He has the DOJ & FBI right where he wants them, and has them to thank for making it happen without him having to lift a finger.

Plus the FBI apparently made no attempt to limit the search to what was named in the search warrant. Aside from prowling Melania's wardrobe, they took THREE Trump passports -- his current one, and two expired ones. Supposedly those have since been returned, but what possible justification could they possibly have for taking them in the first place?
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #236 on: August 17, 2022, 09:28:13 AM »
I know the dims are evil and arrogant but I didn't credit them with this much blatant stupidity. The egregious level of bullshit coming off this story has my WTF -O-meter pegged. Are they arrogant, evil and stupid enough to go ahead and try to push this crock of shiiit through or are they at the point where they no longer care that their corruption is on full display because they know they will get away with it anyway or a combination of the two?

1.  Merit has not be a major factor for advancement in politics for a while.  IMO, especially true on the left, but I am biased.  The only real merit is toward charisma, smooth talking (maybe), and often good looks.  Few are held accountable for bad decisions until they get to a higher level where the actions are more publicly known and even then only sometimes. 

2.  Related to #1, the left (media included) never challenge their own publicly with tough questions.  IMO, voters on the left continue to vote for leftist politicians even as things fall apart around them.   

What effect does that have on people advancing through the ranks?  How many politicians have we seen like VP Harris who seem unable to answer a tough question?  I don't remember politicians of a few decades ago being that inept.  I think about someone like James Carville.  IMO, he is a snake, but I doubt he ever met a question he couldn't give an answer for whether he knew the answer or not.  He knows how to entertain an audience without saying anything substantive.  I don't see many politicians who can do that these days. 

I am sure some of this happens on the Republican side as well, but not the same.

SUMMARY:  I think people have the false assumption that politicians or high level bureaucrats are smarter or wiser than most.  I am sure a few are all that, but I think most are far from it.
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #237 on: August 17, 2022, 04:44:42 PM »
Imagine how stupid the dims would look if they didn't have the MSM running constant cover for them.
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #238 on: August 17, 2022, 10:03:01 PM »
We have always tended to grant the Govt some benefit of the doubt that they are competent.  Can we still say that?  Maybe the rank and file, not the leadership.

But the rank and file comprise the so-called "deep state." I don't much care if those people are competent -- I just want them out.
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #239 on: August 17, 2022, 10:49:19 PM »
 :rofl:

'The FBI Raid On Melania's Closet Was Justified,' Says Merrick Garland Wearing Gorgeous New Evening Gown And Sun Hat
https://babylonbee.com/news/the-fbi-raid-was-justified-says-merrick-garland-wearing-strapless-gown-and-sun-hat-from-melanias-closet
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #240 on: August 18, 2022, 05:04:23 AM »
A lot of this is coming from the leftist mouth pieces, but it goes to show how desperate they are to divert the discussion.  Really makes the entire leadership look like they are arrogant, hateful, and impatient with little ability to see the obvious consequences.  We have always tended to grant the Govt some benefit of the doubt that they are competent.  Can we still say that?  Maybe the rank and file, not the leadership. 

Having worked for the federal government employees who are competence and empathatic with Normal America are beaten out by idiots when it comes to long term employment. Both the Peter Principle (*expletive deleted*ck up move up) and corruption are firmly in place (it starts low level). The idiots who couldn’t make it in the real world advance quickly in .gov service and as managers they run off anybody worth a damn.

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #241 on: August 18, 2022, 07:38:51 AM »
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SUMMARY:  I think people have the false assumption that politicians or high level bureaucrats are smarter or wiser than most.  I am sure a few are all that, but I think most are far from it.
A while back a new first-term congressman was being interviewed, and he made a remark something along the lines of "I was amazed at how unimpressive some of my more prominent colleagues were once I had a chance to meet them in person."
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #242 on: August 18, 2022, 09:54:08 AM »
Now I'm hearing that Trumps passports which "weren't taken", but actually were and later returned, do not appear on the inventory of seized items. If the inventory so lacks detail that it doesn't reflect a document unique as a passport, then it doesn't meet the reasonable expectation criteria for seizure inventory accuracy. That alone is grounds to have the entire case independently reviewed, the seizure deemed illegal, and/or advancement expedited to SCOTUS for a ruling.

The whole thing reeks of being thrown together with little or no planning, and certainly no administrative review or judicial oversight. It seems every new piece of information illustrates yet another legal faux pas on the DOJ/FBI side. They are, in almost comically intentional fashion, handing their own heads to Trump on a silver platter.

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #243 on: August 18, 2022, 10:07:20 AM »
I think the FBI or at least a whole division of it is a CIA skinsuit to get around the prohibitions put in place (LOL) on domestic intelligence gathering.

It's all spy vs spy and I'm pretty confident I'll never figure out what is really going on. The best I can do is learn to keep my head down and focus on the more needful things of life. Sorting out the good guys (if any) from the bad guys (legion) is nearly impossible, by design.

Not following clowns into battle against -insert bad guys- is the best course of action.

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #244 on: August 18, 2022, 12:05:46 PM »
I think the FBI or at least a whole division of it is a CIA skinsuit to get around the prohibitions put in place (LOL) on domestic intelligence gathering.

It's all spy vs spy and I'm pretty confident I'll never figure out what is really going on. The best I can do is learn to keep my head down and focus on the more needful things of life. Sorting out the good guys (if any) from the bad guys (legion) is nearly impossible, by design.

Not following clowns into battle against -insert bad guys- is the best course of action.

Rule #4 - Be sure of your target

If you aren't 100% sure of your target ... don't engage.   

The real battle is spiritual and in your mind, unless bullets are actually flying towards you...
I heard a comment yesterday that Peter Strzok referred to himself as a "section chief".  That comment was there are no section chiefs in the FBI, but are in the CIA.  Came across the link below that may or may not be good. 

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/john-brennan-under-fire-after-peter-strzok-outed-as-cia-agent-from-iran/

I am sure the CIA using the FBI to spy in the US is allowed in the Patriot Act.
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #245 on: August 18, 2022, 12:08:06 PM »
VIP but headline gives you an idea

Former CIA director agrees that there’s nothing more ‘dangerous & contemptible’ than today’s Republicans
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/08/18/former-cia-director-agrees-that-theres-nothing-more-dangerous-contemptible-than-todays-republicans/
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #246 on: August 18, 2022, 12:08:38 PM »
Now I'm hearing that Trumps passports which "weren't taken", but actually were and later returned, do not appear on the inventory of seized items. If the inventory so lacks detail that it doesn't reflect a document unique as a passport, then it doesn't meet the reasonable expectation criteria for seizure inventory accuracy. That alone is grounds to have the entire case independently reviewed, the seizure deemed illegal, and/or advancement expedited to SCOTUS for a ruling.

The whole thing reeks of being thrown together with little or no planning, and certainly no administrative review or judicial oversight. It seems every new piece of information illustrates yet another legal faux pas on the DOJ/FBI side. They are, in almost comically intentional fashion, handing their own heads to Trump on a silver platter.

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The only idea I can think of is they were certain they would find a smoking gun that would allow them to justify it all.  Otherwise, I am not sure how they thought this would not get some backlash. 

I also heard Trump was threatening to release the security footage of the raid.  Commentary I heard said the threat was smart as the FBI couldn't be certain what was caught on camera. 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #247 on: August 18, 2022, 02:37:15 PM »
I also heard Trump was threatening to release the security footage of the raid.  Commentary I heard said the threat was smart as the FBI couldn't be certain what was caught on camera. 

I hope he does, in full, every camera and angle, including audio (if possible) and with a giant flourish and *expletive deleted*it-eating grin on his face. The FBI needs to squirm

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #248 on: August 18, 2022, 02:54:29 PM »
I hope he does, in full, every camera and angle, including audio (if possible) and with a giant flourish and *expletive deleted*it-eating grin on his face. The FBI needs to squirm

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I assume the FBI is already seeking an injunction to prevent that. They'll claim tany video shows classified stuff or it's Law Enforcement Sensitive or some such.

Why squirm when you have pet judges?

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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided and occupied by FBI
« Reply #249 on: August 18, 2022, 03:15:28 PM »
I assume the FBI is already seeking an injunction to prevent that. They'll claim tany video shows classified stuff or it's Law Enforcement Sensitive or some such.

Why squirm when you have pet judges?
Why begs the question why they were opening classified documents in a non-secure setting?

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