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HankB

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Re: What would start the next civil war?
« Reply #75 on: September 19, 2022, 07:12:08 PM »
Quote from: JTHunter on August 12, 2021, 03:22:08 PM
And how far will WE be pushed before WE start pushing back?  How soon will people that are being victimized feel they have had enough and won't waste time calling the cops and resolve the situation on their own?

During COVID, a government official in New York State issued orders that killed about 10,000 elderly residents of nursing homes. Many of these people had adult children, maybe adult grandchildren, who watched as their parents/grandparents died.

Not one of these people was outraged enough to do something about the perp who killed their grandma or grandpa. Not one. If killing family isn't enough of a push, what is?

I truly wonder if we have the capacity for a civil war or new American revolution.
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Re: What would start the next civil war?
« Reply #76 on: September 19, 2022, 07:18:26 PM »
Well remember what finally triggered the last one, an election that the Ds opposed the outcome of.
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Re: What would start the next civil war?
« Reply #77 on: September 19, 2022, 08:22:49 PM »
Too many people from every part of the country depend on a check from the feds (employees, SS, Medicare, disability, welfare, etc).  I do not believe there could be a civil war until these checks stop coming, or become worthless through hyperinflation.

People aren't going to support a fight against their gravy train, and these people are everywhere.
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Re: What would start the next civil war?
« Reply #78 on: September 19, 2022, 08:27:55 PM »
Quote from: Pb on September 19, 2022, 08:22:49 PM
Too many people from every part of the country depend on a check from the feds (employees, SS, Medicare, disability, welfare, etc).  I do not believe there could be a civil war until these checks stop coming, or become worthless through hyperinflation.

People aren't going to support a fight against their gravy train, and these people are everywhere.

I was thinking more the other way around as in the D's firing the first shots.

1860: The Rs are going to take your slaves away
2022/24: The Rs are going to take your checks away.
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Re: What would start the next civil war?
« Reply #79 on: September 19, 2022, 08:40:58 PM »
Quote from: Pb on September 19, 2022, 08:22:49 PM
Too many people from every part of the country depend on a check from the feds (employees, SS, Medicare, disability, welfare, etc).  I do not believe there could be a civil war until these checks stop coming, or become worthless through hyperinflation.

People aren't going to support a fight against their gravy train, and these people are everywhere.

DW receives two such checks, I receive one at this time.  It'll be two checks after the first of the year.

We've discussed a second civil war.  We'd both support it however possible. 

I doubt we're the only ones that would.
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Re: What would start the next civil war?
« Reply #80 on: September 19, 2022, 09:59:10 PM »
No civil war, probably more like anarchy and lawlessness at scales hard for us to imagine.


 

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Re: What would start the next civil war?
« Reply #81 on: September 19, 2022, 10:12:02 PM »
Quote from: WLJ on September 19, 2022, 07:18:26 PM
Well remember what finally triggered the last one, an election that the Ds opposed the outcome of.

Well, it's not like they'll ever let that happen again anyway so...
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Re: What would start the next civil war?
« Reply #82 on: September 20, 2022, 12:49:47 AM »
Quote from: Ron on September 19, 2022, 09:59:10 PM
No civil war, probably more like anarchy and lawlessness at scales hard for us to imagine.

Most likely this.
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Re: What would start the next civil war?
« Reply #83 on: September 20, 2022, 08:07:10 AM »
Quote from: Ron on September 19, 2022, 09:59:10 PM
No civil war, probably more like anarchy and lawlessness at scales hard for us to imagine.

Not that hard to imagine.

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Re: What would start the next civil war?
« Reply #84 on: September 20, 2022, 09:14:37 AM »
Quote from: Ron on September 19, 2022, 09:59:10 PM
No civil war, probably more like anarchy and lawlessness at scales hard for us to imagine.
I think that gets into what it would take to start one.  Even as bad some things were in COVID or as bad as crime is in some areas, it still doesn't directly affect the vast majority of people.  You mention thousands of people who died in elder homes, but there are millions in NYC.  Also, that news came out later and the mayor who did it is out of office. 

Part of that is people still think they vote for their leaders and have some small control over the Govt.  I don't know what it will take to change that perception.  I feel like leftist Democrats are trying to find out.
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Re: What would start the next civil war?
« Reply #85 on: September 21, 2022, 07:39:25 AM »
What I'm figuring is that some outfit is going to set off some "peaceful protests" and the people in that area will finally go full Roof Korean...
 
And that will get spun into non-peaceful protests... Couple that with a breakdown in the supply chain, and things could go south pretty rapidly. And if an outside party trashes electric or water? I figure that most communications will keep running until it is good and spicy...
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Re: What would start the next civil war?
« Reply #86 on: September 21, 2022, 08:10:35 AM »
Quote from: Bogie on September 21, 2022, 07:39:25 AM
What I'm figuring is that some outfit is going to set off some "peaceful protests" and the people in that area will finally go full Roof Korean...
 
And that will get spun into non-peaceful protests... Couple that with a breakdown in the supply chain, and things could go south pretty rapidly. And if an outside party trashes electric or water? I figure that most communications will keep running until it is good and spicy...

If we do the full boogaloo that's what I think will do it.  The "approved" rioters will finally go someplace people have no patience for their antics, and mutual combat will ensue.  Then .gov agents will show up to protect the approved rioters (Portland PD, looking at you) and the unapproved side will treat the .gov agents like rioters.  Then it's on like Donkey Kong.

I still think a more general civil breakdown and local territories controlled by armed bands is more likely.
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Re: What would start the next civil war?
« Reply #87 on: September 21, 2022, 10:02:22 AM »
I don't think there will be a civil war anytime in the foreseeable future.  Just the USA becoming poorer, stupider, more violent and corrupt.

The FSA is too big to allow a civil war.
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Re: What would start the next civil war?
« Reply #88 on: September 21, 2022, 10:53:06 AM »
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I still think a more general civil breakdown and local territories controlled by armed bands is more likely.

We've pretty well got that in major cities already.
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Re: What would start the next civil war?
« Reply #89 on: September 21, 2022, 12:06:17 PM »
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on September 21, 2022, 10:53:06 AM
We've pretty well got that in major cities already.
Not really.  Think Mogadishu, not Detroit.
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Re: What would start the next civil war?
« Reply #90 on: September 21, 2022, 03:39:00 PM »
Quote from: dogmush on September 21, 2022, 12:06:17 PM
Not really.  Think Mogadishu, not Detroit.

Ya gotta start somewhere.
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