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MechAg94

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Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« on: October 24, 2022, 02:13:22 PM »

https://www.oregonfirearms.org/stop-114

Measure 114…DANGEROUS, MISLEADING, EXTREME
https://stop114.com/

I heard this mentioned on Gun Talk Radio.  Sounds like a pretty bad anti-gun ballot measure on the ballot this year in Oregon.  Good luck to you up there. 

One of the guys who called in seemed to think Democrats would lose their majority in Oregon this year.  How likely do you think that will be?
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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2022, 02:16:25 PM »

Wow, that seems worse than "may issue" CCW states.

I'd expect that to get scorched by SCOTUS on challenge.
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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2022, 02:19:31 PM »

Wow, that seems worse than "may issue" CCW states.

I'd expect that to get scorched by SCOTUS on challenge.
I would expect it to get stopped at the Federal District Court level, but that would still mean gun stores in limbo for a while.  Hopefully, it gets defeated from the start.
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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2022, 03:24:06 PM »

"Lets close the background check loophole." - Latest bullshit propaganda being pushed via youtube's totally unbiased and totally impartial political ad system (that only shows leftist ads and makes them unskippable.)

Yeah, filing a 4473 and getting an NICS instant check constitutes a "loophole."

Welcome to the circus with no exit.

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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2022, 04:14:44 PM »

"Lets close the background check loophole." - Latest bullshit propaganda being pushed via youtube's totally unbiased and totally impartial political ad system (that only shows leftist ads and makes them unskippable.)

Yeah, filing a 4473 and getting an NICS instant check constitutes a "loophole."

Welcome to the circus with no exit.

Is Oregon like Washington now, in that all transfers have to go through a FFL and background check?  They were doing the same 'loophole' argument in Washington pertaining to the gunshows and private transfers.
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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2022, 06:27:50 PM »

Is Oregon like Washington now, in that all transfers have to go through a FFL and background check?  They were doing the same 'loophole' argument in Washington pertaining to the gunshows and private transfers.

Has been no-private-transfer since 2015.  The loophole language is just manipulative lying.

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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2022, 07:17:50 AM »

Has been no-private-transfer since 2015.  The loophole language is just manipulative lying.
Whoa, whoa, whoa ... hold on here for a second.  You aren't seriously suggesting that politicians might lie to advance their political goals are you?  In the US political system?

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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2022, 10:28:42 AM »

I would shocked if the courts found this garbage unconstitutional.   :mad:

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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2022, 10:29:03 AM »

Has been no-private-transfer since 2015.  The loophole language is just manipulative lying.

Huh.  Kinda makes you want to ask where ANTIFA got those guns for the friendly fire incident this summer.  It's weird, since They are almost all illegal users of MJ, so they couldn't possibly have gotten them from a gun shop.   

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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2022, 03:49:18 PM »

Got to get the kids in on the act

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    Students at Lake Oswego High School are set to lead a walkout against gun violence after a student was shot outside Jefferson High School in Portland.

    Those taking part in the planned walkout say they hope to encourage people to vote in support of Measure 114, which is on the November ballot.

Students at Oregon high school plan anti-gun walkout
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/10/25/anti-gun-walkout-n63600
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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2022, 04:48:33 PM »

Lake Oswego is a city just to the south of Portland.  It is even more lefty than Portland if you can imagine that.
My sister owns a home there.
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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2022, 09:26:20 AM »

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/waiting-period-is-baked-into-gun-ballot-measure-in-oregon/

If this passes in Oregon, and I bet it will, since the Portland area dominates state politics, how long before we have something on ballot in Washington?
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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2022, 07:42:56 AM »

I don't know why I'm seeing them in Idaho (maybe youtube thinks that's my location), but I'm seeing a bunch of pro 114 commercials on the youtubz TV.
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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2022, 08:25:15 AM »

I don't know why I'm seeing them in Idaho (maybe youtube thinks that's my location), but I'm seeing a bunch of pro 114 commercials on the youtubz TV.

It's so all the new Boise residents know what to put on the Oregon mail in ballots they still get.

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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2022, 08:35:45 AM »

It's so all the new Boise residents know what to put on the Oregon mail in ballots they still get.

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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2022, 04:48:20 PM »

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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2022, 04:51:55 PM »

Sorry if I missed it but is there grandfathering of >10rd mags or is this a turn them in type ban?
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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2022, 05:04:34 PM »

Linn County (Oregon) sheriff gives the middle finger to measure 114:

https://kpic.com/news/local/linn-county-sheriffs-office-is-not-going-to-be-enforcing-magazine-capacity-limits-oregon-ballot-measure-114

Good for him. Though I guess much will depend on what the state police do, unless he's going to arrest state troopers attempting to arrest county residents.

I'll be curious as to what the Malheur County Sherriff does, as that's who I have my non-resident permit with. In some ways he seems very pro gun, but in other ways he seems to maybe be a "letter of the law" guy.
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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2022, 08:42:41 PM »

Good for him. Though I guess much will depend on what the state police do, unless he's going to arrest state troopers attempting to arrest county residents.

I'll be curious as to what the Malheur County Sherriff does, as that's who I have my non-resident permit with. In some ways he seems very pro gun, but in other ways he seems to maybe be a "letter of the law" guy.

I hope the Linn County Sheriff arrests you.  You got her pronoun wrong.  And you misgendered her.
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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2022, 11:31:23 PM »

I hope the Linn County Sheriff arrests you.  You got her pronoun wrong.  And you misgendered her.

Even worse, Ben is a cisgendered white heterosexual male.  Basically evil incarnate.
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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2022, 07:23:20 AM »

Even worse, Ben is a cisgendered white heterosexual male.  Basically evil incarnate.

And loving every minute of it.  =D
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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2022, 08:45:48 AM »

Even worse, Ben is a cisgendered white heterosexual male.  Basically evil incarnate.

They'll be declaring that as some form of insanity soon and an automatic trigger for a Red Flag.
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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2022, 08:58:16 AM »

The politicians (politicians - a word that has become an epithet) pushing laws they know are unconstitutional don't care - they figure so long as they cause problems for their political opponents, it doesn't matter since the procedure itself is the punishment. It costs the opposition time and legal fees to fight, and after they win, they've still taken a financial hit, whereas the politicians are financially insulated from their actions.

And then they start all over and do it again - and NOT just with RKBA issues.
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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2022, 11:14:14 AM »

The left knows that once they replace a couple of supreme court justices, this pesky second amendment thing will go away for good.

They are just writing laws for this occasion.

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Re: Stop Prop 114 - Oregon
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2022, 07:57:01 AM »


I'll be curious as to what the Malheur County Sherriff does, as that's who I have my non-resident permit with. In some ways he seems very pro gun, but in other ways he seems to maybe be a "letter of the law" guy.

Well, to answer my own question, he appears to have joined the sheriffs that will not enforce the mag ban, but says that he will cooperate with licensing, so I guess kinda conforming to my view of him.

https://komonews.com/news/local/some-oregon-sheriffs-vow-not-to-enforce-parts-of-gun-control-measure#

While everything about this is unconstitutional, to my mind, the licensing is 100X worse than the mag restrictions, and it seems the sheriffs should focus on saying they won't enforce that.
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