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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #50 on: November 27, 2022, 03:04:33 PM »
Why are you using a Roku?  Is the TV not wifi enabled?  I stream straight to the TV from the net, and from the TV eARC out to the soundbar.

I'd probably still go Roku. Much more responsive with a superior user interface. I've yet to experience a baked-in app that wasn't slow and/or clunky compared to the Roku. Roku seems better about updates, too.

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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #51 on: November 27, 2022, 03:39:47 PM »
Why are you using a Roku?  Is the TV not wifi enabled?  I stream straight to the TV from the net, and from the TV eARC out to the soundbar.

Well, I can probably try it on this one, but I'm not a fan of at least the past iterations of the Samsung menu. Maybe a one off, but on the old TV, I would get general lag after I hit a button, and annoyingly, youtube tv would constantly hang like it was buffering. When I experimented switching to the Roku, that went away, and everything ran smooth and slick, so I've been on the Roku ever since.

Maybe they improved the menu interface over the last few years.
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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #52 on: November 27, 2022, 05:53:39 PM »
Yeah that would be annoying.

My Vizio built in is pretty nice.  Turn on TV, pick app I want from home screen, watch the TV.  It's nicer than the Roku box in the man cave by far.  But if the built-in OS sucks, I can see running an extra streamer.  Just gotta make sure the non Atmos stick is actually forwarding the sound info.

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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #53 on: November 27, 2022, 06:02:38 PM »
Yeah that would be annoying.

My Vizio built in is pretty nice.  Turn on TV, pick app I want from home screen, watch the TV. 

That's how the Samsung one is supposed to work, and your description is the same menu that I have. It's actually laid out nicely. Like I said, I might give the onboard menu a try on this new TV and maybe they fixed things. I recall when googling the issue, that despite the praise for Samsung TVs overall, there were lots of complaints about the menu functionality.
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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #54 on: November 27, 2022, 09:41:10 PM »
Maybe they improved the menu interface over the last few years.

They haven't.

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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #55 on: November 28, 2022, 12:11:57 AM »
Just as an FYI . . . stopped at Best Buy today. They had a LOT of TVs in stock, stacked everywhere they could possibly cram them in to the store. Most of the cartons were standing on end so as to take up less floor space. So they must all be packed pretty securely in the cartons.

I've been to BB right after thanksgiving quite a few times over the years, and I've never seen the showroom floor this packed with inventory. If they don't do a real bang-up business selling big screen TVs between now and Christmas, I think they'll have some awesome sales in Q1 of 2023.
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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #56 on: November 28, 2022, 07:10:51 AM »
'I think they'll have some awesome sales in Q1 of 2023."

That's what I'm hoping for!
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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #57 on: December 01, 2022, 02:09:49 PM »
Just saw this...

"Also, bummer, apparently Samsung stopped making blue ray players in 2019."

Well that's unfortunate. I was planning on getting a Blue Ray player when I finally get the new TV, and I was planning on keeping it all in the family with the Samsung TV and Sound system.
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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #58 on: December 01, 2022, 03:02:22 PM »
Well that's unfortunate. I was planning on getting a Blue Ray player when I finally get the new TV, and I was planning on keeping it all in the family with the Samsung TV and Sound system.

Yeah, that was my plan since Samsung components and remotes all integrate together so well. Anyways, the Sony 4K player just arrived last night, so I'll hook it up this evening and see how seamless (or not) it is.
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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #59 on: December 01, 2022, 04:09:42 PM »
Yeah, that was my plan since Samsung components and remotes all integrate together so well. Anyways, the Sony 4K player just arrived last night, so I'll hook it up this evening and see how seamless (or not) it is.

Sounds like the sound bar defaulted to eARC so you should be good. Plug and play. At most, you might have to toggle on eARC for the 4K player's specific input. If you're not familiar with eARC (enhanced Audio Return Channel), it's the way the TV sends audio back to the sound bar via HDMI cable. With eARC, audio signals sent to any TV input are rerouted to the sound bar rather than played through the TV speakers.

As for the player, some don't detect to HDR/Dolby Vision video capability (presuming your TV is so equipped). They sometimes don't detect 4K display capability, either, defaulting to some lesser resolution. You might check both settings to be sure.

Also be prepared for 4K discs to have longer load times. I've had them take anywhere from 20 second to almost a minute depending on disc menu complexity.

Finally, be very careful handling 4K discs. Spindle hole and edges only, please. 4K blu-ray data density makes discs hella sensitive to surface imperfections - scratches, smears, smudges, etc.. Wiping your booger hooks all over the disc is a surefire way to get read errors.

*edit to add* Once you get the player working and connected to the interwebz, do a firmware update. Probably in your "System" settings. Usually only takes a minute or two.

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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #60 on: December 02, 2022, 10:59:49 PM »
Okay, so...

Update, dammit. We want an update!

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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #61 on: December 03, 2022, 07:27:14 AM »
Okay, so...

Update, dammit. We want an update!

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I got distracted with other stuff and haven't hooked up the new roku or dvd player yet. I did decide to pay the extra $5/mo on stupid Netflix (at least for a while) for the 4K, since they have 15mb as the recommended bandwidth for theirs, and my 10mb connection usually runs 16-18.

I just started watching a German Netflix Original, "King of Stonk", that is 4K and Atmos. I think I see a difference with the 4K. I definitely know that Atmos is working (at least through the TV - I'm using the TV menu for Netflix just now). I must have a half dozen times now said, "What the hell was that?!?", paused the show because I thought I heard something behind me in the house, and it turned out to be scene background noise from the video.  :rofl:
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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #62 on: December 05, 2022, 08:45:57 AM »
Everything is hooked up now. The Sony DVD player ended up being just as plug and play as the Samsung. The only difference is that the TV didn't configure for Sony remote commands, so I need to use that remote. Atmos is definitely working through the newer Roku, which runs off the Samsung remote.

I still can't tell for sure if I'm seeing a big difference in 4K with my old man eyes. The old TV was 4K too, but I never activated 4K on any of my services (I suppose some stuff I watch on youtube is 4K, but I never paid attention before). I've only started looking for 4K stuff now, and have still not paid the upcharge to 4K on Youtube TV. I also don't own any 4K DVDs, but just this morning splurged for the 4K LOTR discs. I have the older blue ray set, but have been really impressed with Atmos, and with LOTR being one of my favorite movies, figured this should be my first DVD upgrade.
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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #63 on: December 05, 2022, 10:38:43 AM »
I still can't tell for sure if I'm seeing a big difference in 4K with my old man eyes. The old TV was 4K too, but I never activated 4K on any of my services (I suppose some stuff I watch on youtube is 4K, but I never paid attention before).

Doubtful you've ever seen any true 4K content on your home screens. Until very recently, like last month, Youtube 4K content was restricted to paid subscribers only. Vids stamped 4K would automatically downconvert to HD unless you were a Premium subscriber. Plus, you needed a 4K-compatible player to view them, which your old Roku wasn't.

Next is the issue of some 4K YouTube videos only being 4K in the technical sense. Creators film and edit in HD, then upconvert to 4K for uploading. Creators who weren't into gaming resolution numbers for view counts often choose to stick with HD anyway, not only due to equipment costs and performance demands associated with filming, editing, and storing true 4K content, but also because YouTube's compression algorithm mutes a fair bit of 4K's goodness.

Your eyes are going to bug out when you start LOTR. It is one of the top five 4K presentations available, both video and audio. Truly reference-level in every way. Go ahead and pop for Top Gun: Maverick, too. You can thank me later.

Also, have you turned off motion smoothing?

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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #64 on: December 05, 2022, 10:54:33 AM »
"Also, have you turned off motion smoothing?"

That sounds like a really, REALLY personal question, but whatever...  :rofl:

Why would you want to turn motion smoothing off?
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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #65 on: December 05, 2022, 10:57:38 AM »
Also, have you turned off motion smoothing?

Brad

It's still set to auto. When I have some time, I'll play with it, though from reading it seems to be kinda content specific - like good for sports, bad for movies?
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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #66 on: December 05, 2022, 12:20:49 PM »
Why would you want to turn motion smoothing off?

It's ostensibly for minimizing image jitter and digital artifacts during periods of high screen activity. Used discretely and in moderation, it can be a good thing. Unfortunately manufacturers insist on turning it to 11 by default. Overuse imparts unnatural smoothness and a waxy appearance, the "Soap Opera Effect" which makes action artificially fluid and erases fine detail. Cheap sets and no-name house brands also use it to mask noise and artifacts from weaker processing engines.

I can't stand it and usually disable it completely. Some folks prefer it on just a bit, but no one enjoys when it's set to "Kill" and everything looks like plastic.

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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #67 on: December 14, 2022, 10:16:09 AM »
Your eyes are going to bug out when you start LOTR.

Holy crap dude, you weren't kidding. I just watched The Fellowship yesterday. That's pretty amazing. I had also bought a 4K copy of Casino Royale, and the difference was notable.

Also, and I don't know if it was the Atmos DVD, my Atmos TV/Soundbar or a combination, but this was the first time I was able to clearly understand everything Sauron said without the aid of closed captioning. Previously I have owned  the standard and Blue Ray DVD sets. If I hadn't already moved the old TV and DVD player upstairs, it would have been neat to do a side by side viewing of my original LOTR set with this new one.
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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #68 on: December 14, 2022, 11:02:57 AM »
Also, and I don't know if it was the Atmos DVD, my Atmos TV/Soundbar or a combination, but this was the first time I was able to clearly understand everything Sauron said without the aid of closed captioning.

That's the sound quality part I championed previously. Integrated TV speakers are usually a giant ball of suck, a conglomeration of audio compromises which seldom fail to disappoint. A dedicated audio system, even a modest one, elevates the experience considerably.

Glad you're enjoying it, but more important, does Steve like it?

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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #69 on: December 14, 2022, 11:07:30 AM »

Glad you're enjoying it, but more importantly, does Steve like it?

Actually, Atmos + Steve is kind of a pain in the ass. He keeps thinking there are intruders in the house or something.  :laugh:
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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #70 on: December 14, 2022, 11:14:11 AM »
We've got a 75" Samsung on the way to our house now.  Cost was the same delivered as from Costco, so I'll let someone else be responsible for transporting it.

This will replace the 32" 720p TV we've had since about 2008.

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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #71 on: December 14, 2022, 11:24:14 AM »
We've got a 75" Samsung on the way to our house now.  Cost was the same delivered as from Costco, so I'll let someone else be responsible for transporting it.

This will replace the 32" 720p TV we've had since about 2008.

Good move buying it now. I was at Costco yesterday, and actually said "Goddammit!" pretty loud when I rolled by the TV section to see that mine is now $200 cheaper (and it was "on sale" when I bought it a few weeks ago). C'est la vie.  =)
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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #72 on: December 14, 2022, 11:25:56 AM »
Good move buying it now. I was at Costco yesterday, and actually said "Goddammit!" pretty loud when I rolled by the TV section to see that mine is now $200 cheaper (and it was "on sale" when I bought it a few weeks ago). C'est la vie.  =)

https://customerservice.costco.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/628/~/price-adjustment---costco.com-orders

If it's within 30 days, they might help you out!

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Re: Transporting an LCD TV
« Reply #73 on: December 14, 2022, 11:31:41 AM »
https://customerservice.costco.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/628/~/price-adjustment---costco.com-orders

If it's within 30 days, they might help you out!

Good to know, though I paid for it on 10NOV. I don't know how long the price drop has been in effect, but I'm guessing it started 31 days from my purchase.  :rofl:
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