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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2022, 05:14:37 PM »
Coyote lives matter...
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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2022, 05:18:46 PM »
I'll concede that depending on the neighbors a lot of people might get away with a shot in a backyard, but I was more talking about "middle of the street" like in the video. And that was middle of an LA metro suburban street. There are going to be houses behind houses behind houses.
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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2022, 05:32:12 PM »
In a related story you could get you a good dog:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/georgia-sheepdog-fights-off-kills-coyotes-pack-attacks-sheep

That's quite a dog. Came out on top in an eight-against-one fight. That's impressive.
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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2022, 05:51:41 PM »
The immediate neighbors on three sides of me would likely buy me a beer for killing a yote.  I warned the neighbor to my north that coyotes are hanging around of late.  He's got a nice dog that I'd hate to see have a problem with coyotes.  He promptly told me about the shotgun and load he'll use if he sees one in his yard.
Don't know about any of the other neighbors further away.
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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2022, 05:51:57 PM »
I assume setting up some bait 40 yds into the wilderness bordering the neighborhood and waiting with an AR and thermals is a no go, but that's probably the safest route for everyone. 


Waddya think the coyotes are wearin bullet-proof vests?! The kids like to rub the hair on my legs!
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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2022, 06:08:43 PM »
I doubt I would be arrested if I shot a coyote that had just gone after a toddler.  That would assume I ran up and shot it close once in a fairly safe manner.  I would probably call them myself just to be safe and let them know what happened. 

Hunting in the city would be frowned on. 
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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2022, 06:12:00 PM »
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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2022, 06:12:16 PM »
RE: Dogmush's post, that was in Ga and I'll bet the dog is what's known as a "white English", not really a breed but the result of selectively breeding farm dogs to do exactly what that one did!
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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2022, 06:53:32 PM »
I'll concede that depending on the neighbors a lot of people might get away with a shot in a backyard, but I was more talking about "middle of the street" like in the video. And that was middle of an LA metro suburban street. There are going to be houses behind houses behind houses.

And I agreed with you on the LA 'hood.  FWIW, my neighbor wasn't in his yard when he capped the 'yore, he was walking his dog, and took the shot from a sidewalk into an open field, backed up by woods.  Not sure I would have taken the shot, but I'm not about getting bit either.  If you do shoot, you better be sure where that bullet goes.

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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2022, 10:43:22 PM »
This only emphasizes SSS. People or Varmint.  We're getting to the point where we can't shoot things that very much need shot,  that any reasonable person would agree need killing.

And for SSS, I'm about there for general use.  Gods help you if you shoot some ahole that has it coming and there isn't a VERY obvious camera recording the deed.
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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2022, 11:27:45 PM »
You can loose a single shot even in suburbia and you can get away with it 95% of the time

And if you are smart and use a .22 or especially a subsonic .22, even better. Take away that supersonic crack and well officer all I heard was a nail gun.
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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2022, 11:57:31 PM »
You can loose a single shot even in suburbia and you can get away with it 95% of the time

And if you are smart and use a .22 or especially a subsonic .22, even better. Take away that supersonic crack and well officer all I heard was a nail gun.

Probably better than 95% as long as there's no collateral damage.  A .38 Special or .380 is louder than a .22 but also doesn't have that *crack*.  It's not that uncommon to hear a single shot in the burbs, which might have been a backfire (it's amazing how much those sound alike), or a firecracker, or who knows what.  Nobody seems to get agitated.  Multiple shots would probably get a police response in a hurry.

I need to shoot some squirrels and starlings with a pellet gun, but any direction I shoot except down has a neighbor's window in the path. No matter how quiet I am, when I sneak outside the vermin run or fly up a tree just high enough that I can't get a downward shot.  I shot into the ground near one yesterday and that ran them off for a lot longer than just yelling at them or clapping or blowing an air horn.  (they seemed to know it was a real danger, not just a loud noise)
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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2022, 12:32:09 AM »
In a case where I had evidence that a dog or coyote attacked a child (injuries, tooth marks on clothes, video, witnesses, whatever) I am fairly certain I would not have had any negative consequences for shooting the aggressive animal in the suburb I used to live - assuming I didn’t mess it up and put a round into an occupied vehicle or something. 

Where I live now it is hard to imagine anyone ever even calling the cops for gunfire, much less the police responding to it.

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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2022, 08:52:03 AM »
You can loose a single shot even in suburbia and you can get away with it 95% of the time

And if you are smart and use a .22 or especially a subsonic .22, even better. Take away that supersonic crack and well officer all I heard was a nail gun.
I think that's true - every now and then I hear a "bang" somewhere within a few blocks, and even I can't always distinguish between a firecracker and a gunshot. Unless there's a fusillade of gunfire, an errant shot hits something it shouldn't, or someone takes a shot while the neighbors are hosting a garden party, it's going to be a non-event.

If the shot with a .22 is taken through an open window, with the muzzle well back from the opening, the noise audible outdoors will be noticeably reduced. (Don't hit the window frame.)

. . . I need to shoot some squirrels and starlings with a pellet gun, but any direction I shoot except down has a neighbor's window in the path . . .
I have very much the same problem where I'm at since they built homes on a couple of vacant lots next to mine. It almost seems the grackles and tree rats know they're in a safe space.   
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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2022, 09:58:54 AM »
Well, the comments to my question are enlightening. It appears all my time in coastal CA really influenced me regarding how shooting in a neighborhood is perceived. It definitely looks to be more "acceptable" I guess, than I thought. At least under the right circumstances.
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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2022, 10:01:27 AM »
You guys don't have cans?  Are you even Americans?   >:D >:D

I'd be more worried about where the bullet ends up in a miss or a through and through than the sound.  Both morally (the neighborhood kids are annoying, but probably don't deserve rounds into their bedroom....yet) and legally.


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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2022, 10:09:07 AM »
.22 LR is pretty questionable on killing a moving yote, different if in a foot hold trap or snare. I prefer #4 buck shot or lead T shot if you can find it.

If I lived in a rural area with a coyote problem, I would have one or two of the livestock guardian dogs, I'm not talking about a German shepherd either.

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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2022, 10:13:26 AM »
If I lived in a rural area with a coyote problem, I would have one or two of the livestock guardian dogs, I'm not talking about a German shepherd either.

Or a donkey.  They hate canids.  (but your dogs won't be safe either)
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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #43 on: December 05, 2022, 10:24:15 AM »
That's pretty terrifying.  I'm with the "needs to be shot" crowd.  Not for revenge, because not shooting it teaches it to drag the next kid away faster.

I agree that in circumstances like that with the remote chance of collateral damage from a shot, I doubt there would be repercussions from the neighbors or the police.  You might get a neighborhood gold star or a choklit cake or something.  I doubt there'd be any "Why the bullet went right by my head I kooda bin kilt." people.

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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2022, 08:54:57 PM »
.22 LR is pretty questionable on killing a moving yote

perhaps, but I bet it's considerably annoying, they're probably gonna go somewhere else if shots are hitting the target
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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #46 on: December 06, 2022, 09:47:23 PM »
I've seen dead deer on the roads within two miles of my URBAN house.
 
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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #47 on: December 11, 2022, 08:25:14 PM »
perhaps, but I bet it's considerably annoying, they're probably gonna go somewhere else if shots are hitting the target

Four or 5 years ago I shot a couple of coyotes in my back yard, with a .22lr.  They'd been getting real brave, showing up at the back fence (100yds from the house) and standing there while the dog & I walked towards it, walking through the front yard (within 10yds of the house), all in all making me worry about the dog & DW.  For a few nights I threw some old dog food in the back yard.  The last night I setup near the firewood stack.  Damn, there were many more than I'd expected - must have been a dozen running around the yard.  One of them stopped & stared at me, let him have a round in the chest.  It took off like it'd been shot.  The rest hung around, so I nailed another one.  That's when they all left.  The next day, I didn't find any bodies but did see a bunch of buzzards circling an area a few hundred yards away.

I have heard them singing in the distance but haven't seen any since then.


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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #48 on: December 11, 2022, 09:38:01 PM »
I don't like coyotes any more than the next guy, but damn, if you are going to do them, try and do them clean.

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Re: Coyote attacks toddler/daylight/suburban neighborhood
« Reply #49 on: December 11, 2022, 10:34:28 PM »
Four or 5 years ago I shot a couple of coyotes in my back yard, with a .22lr.  They'd been getting real brave, showing up at the back fence (100yds from the house) and standing there while the dog & I walked towards it, walking through the front yard (within 10yds of the house), all in all making me worry about the dog & DW.  For a few nights I threw some old dog food in the back yard.  The last night I setup near the firewood stack.  Damn, there were many more than I'd expected - must have been a dozen running around the yard.  One of them stopped & stared at me, let him have a round in the chest.  It took off like it'd been shot.  The rest hung around, so I nailed another one.  That's when they all left.  The next day, I didn't find any bodies but did see a bunch of buzzards circling an area a few hundred yards away.

I have heard them singing in the distance but haven't seen any since then.
That sounds similar to what my old boss went through when he lived local.  Hogs started coming into his yard and digging things up.  He finally was able to see them one night.  Shot one with a 22.  Best he could tell is they would stay away a while if one was shot. 

His neighborhood was all 1 acre plots, but they don't allow shooting.  That was why he was using an under powered 22 in a long barreled rifle.  It worked did the job.  He didn't have a suppressor.
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