Author Topic: Kid arrested in my class (Read 7900 times)

HForrest · « **on:** March 07, 2005, 01:27:41 PM »

28 February 05, approximately 1345 hours, 9th grade study hall classroom. I was just sitting in this classroom, reading a book- it's as boring as hell. Suddenly, the door swings open. The assistant principal and two plainclothes police officers rush in, very swift and calm. I looked outside the door to see a police officer holding an AR15. The officers inside the room grabbed a student (who I did not know) not far from me, patted him down, and walked him outside the room, grabbing his backpack on the way. It was all very quick and silent. Not a word was spoken, really.

Anyway, someone called an organization named "WeTip" which is an anonymous crime reporting hotline. The police department was advised that this kid had a "kill list" and a weapon. He did have a kill list, but no weapon.

Although he had a hit list, which is wrong (I'm not sure about arrestable), but that's not really what concerns me so much. What concerns me is that anyone can just call in a single anonymous phone call, and have anyone led away by the police. Also, about the police officer with the AR15- Is it just me or is that overkill? The department in this little town of less than 25,000 issues an AR15 to every single officer in the force. There's one in every car. So, even if that is somehow okay and not an over-militarization of a smalltown police department, bringing one into a high school? I would have thought 3 handguns would be enough against a fifteen year old. Guess not. I suppose they were concerned about the possibilty of him taking a hostage, but I still think it was unnecessary.

What do you think?

nico · « **Reply #1 on:** March 07, 2005, 01:37:11 PM »

I have no problem with cops having AR15s and shotguns in their cruisers. You never know when there's gonna be another W. Hollywood shootout. That being said, I don't think they're necessarily appropriate for every situation. From what you described, I'm not sure that an AR was appropriate, but it's better to be overprepared than underprepared.

crt360 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 07, 2005, 01:44:58 PM »

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The department in this little town of less than 25,000 issues an AR15 to every single officer in the force.

Holy crap! Most of the little towns around here are lucky enough to get a few shotguns and a mini-14. One local department was raked over the coals for having an "arsenal" (which didn't even come close to an AR15 per man). The citizens seem to be at odds with the police and don't like paying taxes for weapons that have never been needed for their small law enforcement efforts.

spacemanspiff · « **Reply #3 on:** March 07, 2005, 01:46:47 PM »

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So, even if that is somehow okay and not an over-militarization of a smalltown police department, bringing one into a high school?

uhoh, my AR has transformed me into a militarization,uhh, person, or something!

just cause i buy a guitar does not make me a musician.

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Although he had a hit list, which is wrong (I'm not sure about arrestable), but that's not really what concerns me so much. What concerns me is that anyone can just call in a single anonymous phone call, and have anyone led away by the police.

see the problem is that nowadays, kids attention spans is so short, they MUST write things down in order to remember them.

back in my day, i could commit any number of things to memory and never leave a paper trail.

not that i had 'hit lists', but a good memory was helpful in cheating on tests. (lessee, the multiple choice answers in numeric order to the questions on the test are: C D A A B D C).

HForrest · « **Reply #4 on:** March 07, 2005, 01:48:32 PM »

I don't have a problem in general with cops having AR15's. It's when cops have ARs but civilian's can't that I don't agree with it (I live in California).

spacemanspiff · « **Reply #5 on:** March 07, 2005, 02:05:39 PM »

then gawshdarnit! when you turn 18 you better stomp your way to the voting booth and start making your voice heard!

Michigander · « **Reply #6 on:** March 07, 2005, 02:09:32 PM »

Combat-wombat, how did you know he had a "hit list"?

At this point, I would assume (perhaps wrongly) that the police had more information or evidence against this individual than the anonymous tip. The tip may have started the investigation, but there were probably other things found once the investigation got going.

Then again, maybe not.

HForrest · « **Reply #7 on:** March 07, 2005, 02:30:28 PM »

Nope. It's been confirmed by the police and the school. He did have a kill list, and it all happened because of one anonymous tip.

griz · « **Reply #8 on:** March 07, 2005, 03:01:31 PM »

I think what he means is the police may have had the list before the arrest, instead of arresting on one tip.

And I agree, long guns sound like an over reaction against an unarmed individual. Of course I wasn't there, but maybe there was something else. Like maybe whoever turned over the list said the student was armed?

bratch · « **Reply #9 on:** March 07, 2005, 03:13:24 PM »

The officer did remain outside during the incident which sounds like it was handled professionally.

I'm assuming they did not know he was unarmed.

Perhaps the officer could have kept a lower profile than he did but to me it sounds like a well run arrest in a bad situation.

Whats the old saying "When going to a gunfight take a rifle and a friend with a rifle"

jamz · « **Reply #10 on:** March 07, 2005, 03:44:56 PM »

I have a "kill list" too, but everything on it is computer equipment or software.

Love, James

Andrew Wyatt · « **Reply #11 on:** March 07, 2005, 03:50:09 PM »

could someone define kill list for me?

If the cops dragged a coworker out of work under similar circumstances, would you feel the same way?

Michigander · « **Reply #12 on:** March 07, 2005, 03:58:57 PM »

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could someone define kill list for me?

If the cops dragged a coworker out of work under similar circumstances, would you feel the same way?

Depends.

In this hypothetical, am I on the list? :shock:

jamz · « **Reply #13 on:** March 07, 2005, 04:21:48 PM »

Heh, Andrew, I have no idea what "kill list" really is, but am guessing it's a list of people (or in my case, things) that you would like to kill or see killed.

Love, James

Guest · « **Reply #14 on:** March 07, 2005, 05:37:29 PM »

I don't have a kill list so much as a "people I'd like to get Amoebic dysentery" list. I have no idea what the penalty for that is, but I've never actually written the list down, either.

client32 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 07, 2005, 06:08:50 PM »

I would hope that they had various, extremly creditable tips. If this is the case, I don't have a problem. Since we won't know the whole story though, I can't say for certain. If a one classmate/co-worker with a grudge is able to cause all of this, then I have a problem.

HForrest · « **Reply #16 on:** March 07, 2005, 08:06:47 PM »

From what official sources have said, it was one tip. One. From an anonymous phone call, too. And since when do people go to jail for a piece of paper?

griz · « **Reply #17 on:** March 08, 2005, 01:57:09 AM »

Kill list? I'm more along the lines of Mark Twain. At least I think it was him. He said I have never wished someone dead, but I have read obituaries with pleasure.

kfranz · « **Reply #18 on:** March 08, 2005, 04:18:22 AM »

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From what official sources have said, it was one tip. One. From an anonymous phone call, too. And since when do people go to jail for a piece of paper?

You don't. You go to jail for crimes. You can get taken down to the Police station if you are suspected of committing a crime, and where it goes from there kinda depends on your answers to their questions.

I'm in agreement with the others who wonder why people write stuff like this down... rolleyes

jefnvk · « **Reply #19 on:** March 08, 2005, 07:40:41 AM »

If there was a tip that there was an kid in school with a weapon and a kill list, I woud expect the police to arrive armed and arrest the kid. If there was no kill list or weapon, the kid should be let go, and the person that made the call should at least be attempted to be found.

I wouldn't want to make an arrest against a kid that potentially has a weapon without some backup.

doczinn · « **Reply #20 on:** March 08, 2005, 03:09:22 PM »

hey, how do I subscribe to a thread without replying? I can't find the button.

one45auto · « **Reply #21 on:** March 09, 2005, 06:10:20 AM »

Griz,

The quotation you're looking for is one I've been using as my signature line. Wink

griz · « **Reply #22 on:** March 09, 2005, 07:47:10 AM »

Hello 45,
Do you know where the line came from? I like him as an author but don't know if that line is from a book, conversation, article, or whatever.
Thanks, Griz

Guest · « **Reply #23 on:** March 09, 2005, 09:21:04 AM »

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I have a "kill list" too, but everything on it is computer equipment or software.

There's a "kill switch" on my dirt bike; now, I'm afraid to push it!

Seriously, though, the public school system is so full of unintentional (?) consequences I don't know where to start. They make you go, they dumb you down, they teach propaganda, they ban guns, cops come when it's safe - not when it isn't. If I was braver I'd say the whole mess was designed to enslave us.

Sawdust · « **Reply #24 on:** March 09, 2005, 09:49:22 AM »

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hey, how do I subscribe to a thread without replying? I can't find the button.

Bottom left of the page: "Watch this topic for replies".

I dunno what exactly happens (i.e., mode of notification), but I clicked on it...

Sawdust

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