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More worrying comments from Chavez
« on: November 18, 2007, 07:28:48 AM »
I've previously been rather sceptical about some of the claims made here about how much of a danger Chavez is/could become.  I've mainly seen him more as just a buffoon (and bad at economics) rather than the aspiring hegemonist he has been accused of.

And only a few days ago, I heard about another amusing incident that he'd been involved in, and went looking for a link so I could sahre it with you (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2855521.ece).

But from there, I found an altogether more worrying case of him mouthing off: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2368707.ece

Apparently, the "socialist" Chavez wants to help the anti-imperialist cause by declaring his support for actions of a (then) fascist regime to invade and occupy another land against the will of it's people.  Not only that, but he thinks that it should be attempted again, and that he would be prepared to go to war against the UK in support of the attempt.

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Chavez vows revenge for Falklands war
Martin Arostegui, Santa Cruz

IN a new outburst of antiwestern sabre-rattling, President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela has threatened Britain with revenge for the Falklands war of 1982. The belligerent Latin American leftist warned last week that his recent build-up of sophisticated Russian and Iranian weapons would be used to destroy the British fleet if it attempted to return to the South Atlantic.

Speaking on his weekly television show Alo Presidente (Hello, Mr President), Chavez denounced what he described as Britains illegal occupation of the Falklands and repeated his call for a regional military alliance against Britain and the United States.

If we had been united in the last war, we could have stopped the old empire, Chavez said, as he gesticulated to maps showing how Venezuelan aircraft and submarines would intercept British warships. Today we could sink the British fleet.

Chavez has often expressed support for Argentinas claim to the Falklands, but his latest broadside was notable for both its antiBritish vitriol and its unprecedented threats. He declared that British history was stained with the blood of South Americas indigenous people and demanded revenge for the cowardly sinking of the General Belgrano, the Argentine cruiser.

Western diplomats have long grown used to harangues from Chavez, who announced this weekend that he would negotiate with guerrillas holding dozens of hostages in Colombia, including three US contractors and Ingrid Betancourt, a French-Colombian abducted as she campaigned for president in 2002. But US and British officials have recently become more concerned by his willingness to lavish billions of dollars from Venezuelas soaring oil income on military capabilities.

On his TV programme, Chavez introduced a group of 30 Venezuelan pilots who were trained in Russia to fly a squadron of 24 Sukhoi SU-30 multi-role fighters. The aircraft were part of a $3 billion armaments deal with Moscow.

Chavez has also bought 100,000 AK-47 assault rifles and negotiated to set up a Kalashnikov factory in Venezuela. He has reportedly ordered nine Russian diesel submarines, including the cruise missile-carrying 677E Amur-class vessel.

The Venezuelan pilots told him they would soon be training with medium-range BrahMos missiles, a supersonic antiship cruise missile jointly developed by India and Russia.

US officials also fear that Chavez may be seeking nuclear technology from his contacts with Iran and North Korea. He is discussing a possible joint programme with Tehran to build an unmanned drone aircraft similar to the American Predator and has long been engaged in a regional attempt to promote military cooperation against the US.

So far most of his neighbours have shied away from confrontation with Washington, but Chavez is continuing to press for the creation of a single South American army.

His outspoken attacks on Britain and his support for Buenos Aires have gone down well in Argentina, where President Nestor Kirchners wife, Cristina, is the favourite to succeed her husband in elections next month.

While there is no indication that either of the Kirchners wants to precipitate a new crisis over the Falklands, military analysts say Venezuelas lengthening military reach might seriously impede any British attempt to dispatch a new task force.

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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2007, 07:32:09 AM »
Eh, he's either irrelevant, or one of the extremely wealthy and dangerous people he's annoying will put a bounty on him, and he'll accidentally run into a bullet with his head.


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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2007, 07:46:32 AM »
Eh, he's either irrelevant, or one of the extremely wealthy and dangerous people he's annoying will put a bounty on him, and he'll accidentally run into a bullet with his head.

I don't think you're taking the Chavezorrist threat seriously. We need to fight him down there so we don't have to fight him up here. Invade now.

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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2007, 07:50:18 AM »
We don't need to invade to deal with a tinpot dictator with a big mouth.

He's seizing assets worth billions from very powerful people. Eventually, one will have had enough and will offer a bounty on him below the table. Someone will go for it and collect.

Such problems solve themselves.

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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2007, 07:54:59 AM »
We don't need to invade to deal with a tinpot dictator with a big mouth.

Homeland security had better check you out. Oh, whoops! You're talking about Chavez, not Hussein. I guess sometimes we do have to invade to deal with a tinpot dictator with a big mouth.

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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2007, 09:37:50 AM »
I nominate Len for the task.   grin
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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2007, 09:50:21 AM »
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If we had been united in the last war, we could have stopped the old empire, Chavez said, as he gesticulated to maps showing how Venezuelan aircraft and submarines would intercept British warships. Today we could sink the British fleet.

Isn't it ill-advised to tell your enemy your battle plans?

I think Chavez is neglecting a huge variable here: how the US will respond if he fires on a British naval vessel.
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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2007, 11:00:03 AM »
Every mass-murdering despot looked like a buffoon before he started with the mass-murders.
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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2007, 03:38:44 PM »
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Chavez has also bought 100,000 AK-47 assault rifles and negotiated to set up a Kalashnikov factory in Venezuela.

So how long before we will be able to import Argentine AKs?

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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2007, 03:46:55 PM »
If you believe our media (yeah, I know but stay with me for a sec) the people of Venezuela willingly signed their liberty over to a despot.  Again, if you believe our media he will be the first hemisphere tyrant who arrived at power via the willing participation of his country.

I would love for some egghead scholar historian type to do a postmortem  and identify what factors were present which led said people to do the highly stoopid.  Surely there is a lesson in there for us.  And as an added feature we may get a better idea what really happened as opposed to what our media said happened.
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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2007, 03:50:29 PM »
Every dictator stays in power by creating and maintaining an image of national threats, usually both internal and external. That guy is not exception. It is amusing to me to see how many billions of dollars he spends on weaponry for propagandist purposes and to cultivate Russia, while his country remains in abject poverty.

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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2007, 04:17:36 PM »
This is so gonna suck if while we are screwing around in the middle east he forms some sort of Hispanic Alliance and we end up with a Hispanic Red Dawn situation. Not to mention the potential number of infiltrators into this country. We need to get that border secure now.
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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2007, 04:25:48 PM »
This is so gonna suck if while we are screwing around in the middle east he forms some sort of Hispanic Alliance and we end up with a Hispanic Red Dawn situation. Not to mention the potential number of infiltrators into this country. We need to get that border secure now.

Look at the map of South America.

Look at the size of Brazil.

Brazil is our ally, and a strong ally. Their GDP is going nuts, investment there is great right now. Their economy is growing at a record pace, and it's a capitalistic economy...that money is not only from resources, but from manufacturing and high-tech. There's still income disparity among classes, but prosperity is spreading, their business center cities are as comfortable and modern as any in the US. No other nation in South America has that level of first-world culture yet.

All we have to do is make sure we support them and sell them the latest military toys, (perhaps in return for an ethanol contract, instead of messing up our own corn supply!), and they should be able to deal with the surrounding socialist pestholes.


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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2007, 05:50:54 PM »
Venezuela, Mexico, Colombia, and Cuba could make a nasty little force. Chavez seems to be the kinda guy that is nutty enough to actually fire something at us. Saddam knew we would attack if he did something dumb which is why he minded his own business and plotted away to destroy Iran.
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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2007, 09:46:03 AM »
If he keeps it up, the Saudis are going to take him out.
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At the summit's opening ceremony on Saturday, Chavez sought to bring OPEC back to its militant and revolutionary roots.
"OPEC should set itself up as an active political agent," Chavez said.

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"OPEC has made a point, from its establishment, to work for the stability of the oil markets," said the Saudi foreign minister, Prince Faisal, at a news conference after the close of the summit on Sunday. "Oil should be a tool of construction and development, not one of dispute."

They're not going to tolerate him trying to wreck their money train, which depends on stability.


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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2007, 09:47:41 AM »
I would love for some egghead scholar historian type to do a postmortem  and identify what factors were present which led said people to do the highly stoopid. 

Homeland security will decide that's a bit close to home, and the HS men will arrest him.
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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2007, 02:18:02 PM »
They're not going to tolerate him trying to wreck their money train, which depends on stability.

They make more money from instability, not less.

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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2007, 02:31:41 PM »
They make more money off market impredictibality, not all out (nuclear) war.
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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2007, 03:58:41 PM »
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No other nation in South America has that level of first-world culture yet.

You mean aside from Chile and Argentina, right?
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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2007, 05:15:23 PM »
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No other nation in South America has that level of first-world culture yet.

You mean aside from Chile and Argentina, right?

Not even close. Sao Paolo looks just like LA or the like, right down to the number of malls and big-box stores and chain restaurants. Argentina and Chile won't be there for decades yet.


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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2007, 06:05:31 PM »
for the right price, his next Columbia speaking date could be his last....


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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2007, 09:15:15 AM »
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. . . demanded revenge for the cowardly sinking of the General Belgrano, the Argentine cruiser.
Again? They whined about this at the time . . . NEWS FLASH: the cruiser was a WARSHIP, not a hospital ship or cruise ship . . . when you're at war, all enemy military assets are legitimate targets.

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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2007, 10:17:55 AM »
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Not even close. Sao Paolo looks just like LA or the like, right down to the number of malls and big-box stores and chain restaurants.
Sao Paolo looks "just like LA" (a first-world metropolis) with massive amounts of retail and corporate food (like every other part of the first-world). And yet is not first-world...

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Argentina and Chile won't be there for decades yet.
Argentina and Chile - despite juntas of their own - have already been there for decades.
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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2007, 12:51:49 PM »
Screw that little idiotic despot.

Someone ought to send him a photo of Saddam hanging from the gallows with the caption (in spanish, of course) "Thinking of you....."

or perhaps "Wishing you were here.... "

Maybe he'd get the hint and shut his damned yap before he does have the Kevorkian Rope Trick demonstrated upon his person.

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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2007, 01:04:14 PM »
An awful lot of anger directed at a man who's done nothing to you, and must, by any measure, rank in the top half of heads of state in terms of "not an evil bastard"-ness.

One might think some of y'all were reacting emotionally...
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